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  1. #101
    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    Does Big Z play at an all-star level now?
    Nah, he doesn't, but then again, neither does Artest so it kinda evens out.

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    If you really look at it, Kobe's got the least Star power with him of the Big 5 contending teams:

    Spurs: Tim Duncan, Tony, Manu, Dice, Grizzly Blair (5 All Stars)
    Celtics: KG, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Sheed (5 All-Stars)
    Magic: Dwight, VC, Jameer, Rashard (4 All Stars)
    Cavs: LeBron, Shaq, Mo Williams, Big Z (4 All Stars)

    Lakers: Kobe, Pau, Crazy Ron (3 All Stars)

    If Kobe wins the Championship again this year, he would have done so with the least star power of the 5 supposed "contending" teams.
    Ah, good ole' Allanon. It ain't but October and he's already in mid-season form.

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    Ah, good ole' Allanon. It ain't but October and he's already in mid-season form.
    Good to see you Joe.

    Just some early season humour to counter all the Powder Keg Ron Ron, Tissue Paper Pau, Bynum sucks, Lamar is a pot smoker but "Kobe only wins because he has a great team" hypocrisy.

    It's amazing how all the maligned Laker players at ST have miraculously become this great deep team carrying Kobe to Championships.

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    But for all his excellence, he doesn't make his teammates better.

    Yeah, Mo Williams was an all star in Milwaukee.

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    It's amazing how all the maligned Laker players at ST have miraculously become this great deep team carrying Kobe to Championships.
    Nah, I said the Lake Show had the best talent in the Association from the middle of last year on, and if anything they're more talented this year with Crazy Ron in the fold.

    , you could build a decent team around Pau. His presence alone makes L.A. better than Cleveland, everything else being equal. When Bynum is healthy the edge is that much wider. And then there's Lamar Odom, who is a top-ten player in terms of skill-set.

    I think you need to get back into that 75-win mindset, Allanon.

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    Health + Defense= Repeat.

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    Yeah, Mo Williams was an all star in Milwaukee.
    Mo's pretty much the same player he's been for the last few years. Good shooter but still doesn't show up in the big games.

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    Exactly

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    Almost every all star caliber player somewhat makes his teammates better. The mere fact Lebron and Kobe draw the best defender and are focused on that much by the other team makes their teammates better.

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    Mo's pretty much the same player he's been for the last few years. Good shooter but still doesn't show up in the big games.

    And Gasol is the same player he was in Memphis, but his production and effeciency has gone up with Kobe on his team.

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    Nah, I said the Lake Show had the best talent in the Association from the middle of last year on, and if anything they're more talented this year with Crazy Ron in the fold.

    , you could build a decent team around Pau. His presence alone makes L.A. better than Cleveland, everything else being equal. When Bynum is healthy the edge is that much wider. And then there's Lamar Odom, who is a top-ten player in terms of skill-set.

    I think you need to get back into that 75-win mindset, Allanon.
    I know you know whatsup, Joe.

    I'm actually working on an 83 win high this year

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    I don't know about Mo Williams, but Anderson Varejao probably wouldn't be in the league if not for LeBron James.

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    What is making his team-mates better?

    Is it LeBron specifically taking JJ Hickson under his wing this off-season to teach him how to be a professional?What if it doesn't help? Are we allowed to make examples on what MIGHT happen?

    Is it being the guy in the locker room that obviously makes the chemistry great?

    Is it calling out your team-mates and yourself to work harder after the loss to Orlando?

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    Yeah, Mo Williams was an all star in Milwaukee.
    Nope, and he wasn't in Cleveland either. He needed injuries to get him there

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    And Gasol is the same player he was in Memphis, but his production and effeciency has gone up with Kobe on his team.
    The big difference is Pau is no longer considered "soft" and unreliable in the clutch. You could say Kobe's determination rubbed off on Pau.

    Mo still disappeared.

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    And Gasol is the same player he was in Memphis, but his production and effeciency has gone up with Kobe on his team.
    So Gasol is pretty much the same, only a more effecient scorer

    And Mo Williams is basically the same too, but he still can't show up when it counts



    So...who helped their #2 more?

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    I don't know about Mo Williams, but Anderson Varejao probably wouldn't be in the league if not for LeBron James.
    True

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    The big difference is Pau is no longer considered "soft" and unreliable in the clutch. You could say Kobe's determination rubbed off on Pau.
    Or you could say that Pau was never soft and unreliable but got a bum rap for the playoff losses he took in Memphis, the same way KG got a bum rap in Minnesota and Dirk has gotten a bum rap in Dallas.

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    The big difference is Pau is no longer considered "soft" and unreliable in the clutch. You could say Kobe's determination rubbed off on Pau.

    Or you could say Rashard Lewis was guarding him in the finals as oppose to Kevin Garnett and and Kendrick Perkins.

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    Almost every all star caliber player somewhat makes his teammates better. The mere fact Lebron and Kobe draw the best defender and are focused on that much by the other team makes their teammates better.
    Iverson draws a lot of attention but he doesn't make his teammates better, Amare is another case like that, and I can think of many cases of star players that don't make their teammates better.

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    Or you could say that Pau was never soft and unreliable but got a bum rap for the playoff losses he took in Memphis, the same way KG got a bum rap in Minnesota and Dirk has gotten a bum rap in Dallas.
    Oh Pau was soft alright. He was still soft in 08. It was until last year he really improved. Same with Odom and Ariza.

    KG still isn't clutch.

    I agree, Dirk gets a bum rap.

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    So Gasol is pretty much the same, only a more effecient scorer

    And Mo Williams is basically the same too, but he still can't show up when it counts

    How is Lebron supposed to magically make him clutch?

    I guess Kobe gets blame cause he couldn't turn Smush Parker into a clutch player

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    Or you could say Rashard Lewis was guarding him in the finals as oppose to Kevin Garnett and and Kendrick Perkins.
    KG & Perkins both got smacked around by Pau and Lamar in the 2 regular season games.

    They aren't the sisssy pushovers they used to be.

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    Or you could say that Pau was never soft and unreliable but got a bum rap for the playoff losses he took in Memphis, the same way KG got a bum rap in Minnesota and Dirk has gotten a bum rap in Dallas.
    Wrong! All we heard after the loss to the Celts was how soft Gasol was.

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    KG & Perkins both got smacked around by Pau and Lamar in the 2 regular season games.

    What does that prove?

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