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    “I’ve sat back and thought about this, and talked about this with my friends,’’ Roy said. “Everyone thinks the sacrifice is going to have to come from me and LaMarcus. And yeah, it is.

    “But an even bigger sacrifice is going to have to come from Andre and Joel,’’ Roy said. “Say Joel comes off the bench. Does he relax and say this is Greg’s team, that Greg is the future, just go ahead Greg? Or does he say I’m gonna push myself everyday to make sure Greg is great and to make sure that when I come in the game I’m even better?

    “And does Andre say OK, I will come off the bench and make sure this is the best second lineup in the NBA? Or is he going to say, Steve is starting, I’m going to relax?’’

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    “But it only fits if they want it to fit,’’ Roy said. “They can make it a great second lineup. If that's the bench lineup, they can make it great. Andre has to make that sacrifice and say, ‘I'm going to make this my lineup. We're going to be ready every time. I don't care if the starters come out and get behind by 20, we're going to come out and put our mark on the game.’’’

    I asked why he didn’t just tell that to his teammates.

    And that’s when the next veteran move of Roy was revealed. He was already two steps ahead.

    “We will meet as a team before the season starts – players only – and we will talk and I will express how I feel,’’ Roy said. “We have to have that mindset if we are going to be considered an elite team. And that’s something I have to express to the team. Because man, if we can do that … we will be a tough team. A really good team.

    “But it has to be said.’’

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbla...r_room_19.html

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    Roy's gotta lead by example and let Rudy start and Roy come off the bench.

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    Roy's gotta lead by example and let Rudy start and Roy come off the bench.
    That has to be one of the dumbest statements ever.

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    That has to be one of the dumbest statements ever.
    I think that was the point, since what Roy is saying is also pretty dumb.

    Andre Miller is a better player than Steve Blake. And, it's not like he needs a lot of shot attempts (the reason guys like JR Smith and JasonTerry come off the bench). He's a passing point guard who will make the starting line-up better without needing to take a lot of shots. Miller should start. And, it's stupid for Roy to suggest it. If Andre Miller and Steve Blake were about the same, then that's one thing. But, it's not a question who is the better player. Otherwise, why not have Rudy start and Roy come off the bench? That would make the second unit even that much better.

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    is he really that fat that he cant win the job? miller is supposed to be superior to blake the only thing he has above him is 3 point shooting.

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    this is a non issue

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    I think that was the point, since what Roy is saying is also pretty dumb.

    Andre Miller is a better player than Steve Blake. And, it's not like he needs a lot of shot attempts (the reason guys like JR Smith and JasonTerry come off the bench). He's a passing point guard who will make the starting line-up better without needing to take a lot of shots. Miller should start. And, it's stupid for Roy to suggest it. If Andre Miller and Steve Blake were about the same, then that's one thing. But, it's not a question who is the better player. Otherwise, why not have Rudy start and Roy come off the bench? That would make the second unit even that much better.
    Miller needs the ball to be effective, which stunts and hurts the game of Brandon Roy. If your going to be having Roy as the main playmaker, Blake's spot up shooting meshes with Roy and the first team better than Miller.

    Roy is their franchise and is most effective handling the ball in pick and roll opportunities. Roy shouldn't comply with Miller's game. Miller should be the one complying with Roy's game. Therefore Miller to the bench with the second unit would be better with the Blazers.

    Roy is right on this matter.

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    this is a non issue

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    That's just boolah. The main reason the Blazers got Andre Miller in the first place was to free up Roy so he didn't have to have the ball in his hands all of the time, so he could play off the ball and be fresher towards the end of games and ultimately the end of the season. Now that they get Miller, they're not even going to maximize the reason they got him to help alleviate the pressure of Roy handling the ball and making all the decisions? It's nonsensical and works contrary to the whole point of getting Miller in the first place.

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    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...+signs+Blazers

    This issue was discussed in late July when Miller was signed. Read post #7, 17, 19 and so on.

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    Roy is making all the wrong comments at the right time.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    Why are you citing your previous opinions and opinions of other SpursTalk posters to try to support your argument now? So you saying that and having the same opinion a few weeks ago means it makes your opinion more accurate now? Ummm no.

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    When did Roy become player coach? Did McMillan get fired?

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    That's just boolah. The main reason the Blazers got Andre Miller in the first place was to free up Roy so he didn't have to have the ball in his hands all of the time, so he could play off the ball and be fresher towards the end of games and ultimately the end of the season. Now that they get Miller, they're not even going to maximize the reason they got him to help alleviate the pressure of Roy handling the ball and making all the decisions? It's nonsensical and works contrary to the whole point of getting Miller in the first place.
    It's not boolah. If you watched the Blazers play you would understand that Roy and the Blazers are best when the ball in his Roy hands and when LaMarcus Aldridge sets his screens. Spurs along with the rest of the NBA had a lot of trouble with it. That's why when Miller was originally signed some people thought it was an overrated move because of the way their two games don't coincide with eachother.

    If you take the ball out of Roy's hands and put it in Miller's instead it will be doing the opposition a huge favor.

    Blazers best bet is to have Miller being the creator (the player with the ball) whenever Roy is not in the game. Therefore he'd be best coming off the bench. Just my opinion.

    We can agree to disagree.

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    this is a non issue

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    It's not boolah. If you watched the Blazers play you would understand that Roy and the Blazers are best when the ball in his Roy hands and when LaMarcus Aldridge sets his screens. Spurs along with the rest of the NBA had a lot of trouble with it. That's why when Miller was originally signed some people thought it was an overrated move because of the way their two games don't coincide with eachother.

    If you take the ball out of Roy's hands and put it in Miller's instead it will be doing the opposition a huge favor.

    Miller is best being the creator and being the player with the ball, whenever Roy is not in the game. Therefore he'd be best coming off the bench.
    It's boolah.

    They want Roy fresh at the end of games and at the end of the season. Getting Miller helps alleviate the pressure of Roy handling the basketball all of the time. Why get Miller if he's not going to be used in that capacity? It's counter-productive to the reason they got Miller in the first place.

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    It's boolah.

    They want Roy fresh at the end of games and at the end of the season. Getting Miller helps alleviate the pressure of Roy handling the basketball all of the time. Why get Miller if he's not going to be used in that capacity? It's counter-productive to the reason they got Miller in the first place.
    No its not boolah obviously by their franchise making the request. He is not seeing the touches he's used to getting or being put in situations where he's best whenever Miller is on the court with him. You can bring Miller off the bench and be the main creator when Roy goes to the pine. That would make the Blazers better already.

    Roy and the Blazers last priority is to worry about the freshness of Roy. He's not 38 years old and has been injury free throughout his career. Miller will alleviate some of the ball handling duties, but that should be exploited more so when Roy is not on the floor.

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    So, you're basically saying play Miller 12 minutes.
    No what I'm saying is you put Miller as the main creator at all times whenever Roy is not on the floor. And Roy should be the main creator whenever he is on the floor. Of course it's not going to happen every possesion with Aldridge in the post. But if your going to start your plays with the pick and roll Roy is the best option Blazers have. Miller's inability to spread the floor with his non-shooting ability simply doesn't comply with it.

    I'd say Miller plays with Roy 12-16 minutes out of the 34-38 minutes Roy plays. Giving Miller around 24-28 mpg.

    That wasn't the point I was making either. My point was and is that Miller's game doesn't coincide with Roy's. Simply put.

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    lmao.. roy...

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    What's "boolah"?

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    this is a non issue

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    roy should stfu and know ur role jabroni

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    That's just boolah. The main reason the Blazers got Andre Miller in the first place was to free up Roy so he didn't have to have the ball in his hands all of the time, so he could play off the ball and be fresher towards the end of games and ultimately the end of the season. Now that they get Miller, they're not even going to maximize the reason they got him to help alleviate the pressure of Roy handling the ball and making all the decisions? It's nonsensical and works contrary to the whole point of getting Miller in the first place.
    I agree with Jamstone for 3 reasons.
    1. Who says you cant have two playmakers in the same starting lineup? Manu and Tony are prime examples PLUS Miller is not a shot happy PG like Parker.
    2. Miller IS the better player ...aand though he may limit some of the opportunities Roy could actually become a MUCH better player if he learns to play WITHOUT the ball
    3. Oden will benefit from a penetrating PG ...as long as they play shooters at the 2 and 3 to prevent the lane from being clogged ...

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    No its not boolah obviously by their franchise making the request. He is not seeing the touches he's used to getting or being put in situations where he's best whenever Miller is on the court with him. You can bring Miller off the bench and be the main creator when Roy goes to the pine. That would make the Blazers better already.

    Roy and the Blazers last priority is to worry about the freshness of Roy. He's not 38 years old and has been injury free throughout his career. Miller will alleviate some of the ball handling duties, but that should be exploited more so when Roy is not on the floor.
    Roy had a knee inury on college and still suffers from tendinitis ...

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    what roy wants, roy gets it. Miller will come off bench.

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