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So you want to insure against the injury proneness of a big in Ratliff for a guy that hasn't played 82 games in... How long? Has he cracked 70 the past 2 or 3 years?
Please, you don't know jeff foster. He does not want a ring that badly right now. Foster has no offense, is a poor shotblocker, is a decent defender in certain areas a completely useless in others, and is a scrapper thats overrated by playing on a poor Indy team- and he's been slowly slipping too. Also very not clutch player.
So you want to insure against the injury proneness of a big in Ratliff for a guy that hasn't played 82 games in... How long? Has he cracked 70 the past 2 or 3 years?
I don't see the benefit of giving up the depth for a slow moving mediocre white big guy.
If you want a big guy for insurance theres Mahinmi. he hasn't done anything to suggest he's any worse than Foster.
Mahinmi can do what Foster does.
Last three seasons:
Foster:
75 games 1740 minutes
77 games 1883 minutes
74 games 1828 minutes
Ratliff
2 games 44 minutes
26 games 437 minutes
46 games 578 minutes
Whoops.
Stay on the floor?
I'm not advocating getting rid of Mahinmi, but your logic is just off here.
he played 77 games 2 years ago.
It seems like everytime you turn on the damn ticker he was out with an injury.
He either has alot of injuries and plays with em, or theres something wrong with the NBA tickers.
That being said, Foster still sucks.
Giving up depth on the wing for a 6'11 white stiff? no thanks.
Marcus Williams would NOT fill in that depth either, he has no business on a basketball court.
Whats wrong with the logic that Foster is a white stiff on the downside of his career and Mahinmi is a 22 year old center that can do exactly what Foster does but without giving up your already said depth?
Thank god you people don't run the FO.
My arguments for acquiring Foster are well chronicled in the Foster thread. Wasting keystrokes on TPark is like breaking your knuckles beating up a midget.
Go ahead and justify trading for an aging white stiff big guy.
Oh sorry, this was just an opportunity to insult me.
Gotcha.
Biggest impact of this trade would be on what it would do to the Spurs' offensive philosophy. Bonner, Finley, and Bowen between them took over 8 3-point shots/game last year (40% of the team total). Manu will probably pick up some of that (although looking at his numbers you could argue that he shouldn't), and RJ is probably going to get 2-3 shots a game. Can't imagine Mason taking more three-pointers than last year in fewer minutes.
So is Pop ready to abandon the Spurs' reliance on the 3-point game, and put more emphasis on low post, slashing, and getting to the line? That (in addition to the defense) would be a nice return to old-time Spurs Basketball.
Why get rid of our starting SG and C?
How about Murphy?
Yeah but I would die if something like that happened. He shoots the three just like Bonner but he can also rebound the out of the ball.
The fact that you are reducing him to an "aging, white stiff big guy" suggests that you have already made up your mind without caring about actual facts.
Again....midget, knuckles.
I like him too...but not to the tune of 23 million over the next two seasons.
You're basing your entire argument on the assumption that Mahinmi and Foster can do the same things, but Mahinmi's production is not bearing that out at all.
Again, I'm not advocating moving Mahinmi. I'm just pointing out the glaring hole in your argument.
Good old defensive, generalizing TPark.
For the record...I think we go with what we have for the first few months and see how it works out. Both teams will know much more about what their respective situations are going to be after the beginning of the year.
First of all, he pretty much only gets 2 more rebounds than Bonner. We don't need another rebounder when we already have Duncan, Dice, & Blair. Plus, he's awful at the 3 point line. His career 3pt% is 12%; Bonner's is 41%. Plus, Bonner is 3 years younger and has been in our system for 5 years. Could someone explain how he's better than Bonner, and how he would actually get decent playing time to make a difference?
This also doesn't account for losing Finley.
EDIT: I thought you were talking about Foster, not Murphy, but my points still stand in an argument about Foster vs. Bonner
Last edited by manu_maniac; 10-24-2009 at 01:41 PM.
No trade. Jeff Foster is only an inch taller than Bonner, and (like it or not) we would miss both Bonner & Finley (at the very least for eating minutes purposes) this season otherwise. If you really want to get a Foster on the team, you should go to the source. We could sign Linda Foster!
Jeff's mom was the principal of my High School. They even look alike. This woman was big! Not like 'fat' big, more like 'could potentially beat-up the majority of jocks at my school' kinda big. And it wouldn't involve trading anyone to bring in Dr. Foster. So, what do you think?
As much as people around here hate to hear it, Bonner and Finely won't be going anywhere. Why would the Spurs FO bring in guys who haven't played in the Spur's system in a year as critical to winning as this one? Barring an injury to any of the bigs or atrocious play, the guys that are on the team now will be the guys the Spurs will go with this season.
oh okay because Murphy was a 45% 3 shooter last year.
Yep.
I'm high enough on Blair to conclude we don't need to trade two of the team's best shooters for a player who does essentially the same thing, and it's a fair bet Blair will be better. Sure, Foster is taller -- he just doesn't really play taller than Blair.
we don't need another big, Foster can't play good with Duncan - he is not mobile, i rather give those minutes to Ratliff/Mahinmi/Blair/Haislip.
if we gonna use our expiring contracts it should be on a wing(Jackson, Nocioni) because our wing situation is more problematic - Manu injury risk.
Exactly. Getting Foster would essentially be getting the type of player that we want Blair to be. Even though Foster is not really a shot blocker, he is a very smart, fundamental defender. By the first of the year we should know if Blair is ready to be that type of defender to go with all the rest of the qualities he already brings.
Thinking about a Duncan/Foster/McDyess/Ratliff/Blair front line sure is exciting though. You get all the rebounding you can handle(and some) and 48 minutes of solid interior defense no matter who is on the floor.
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