LOL @ reaching for regular season numbers to make a point, and get your ass kicked because Dice is *STILL* scores at a higher clip...
Now, could you address the part where they both play the PF/C position and we need PF/C production out of them? Like rebounding and interior defense?
You know, the part you've been conveniently ignoring because it completely trashes anything you say?
hahahaExactly. And whos idea to put Mason on Barea anyways?
Did Pop ever think to use George Hill to neutralize Barea's quickness? This would have been much more logical than expecting Roger to keep up with that little waterbug.
Wait... oh right Pop had Hill chained to the bench for most of the series...
Somebody in this thread said Bonner Played the best defense on Dirk anyone on the Spurs had in a while. That not true, I'll agree Dirk didnt light anybody up. However the answer for playing Dirk was Fabulous Fabricio. He allows Dirk to catch and contest his shot. He also takes a step back, so that if Dirk drives he has an opportnuity to force him to the baseline instead of getting beat off the dribble.
pros and cons with him starting - the question should be why is he on the team?
+ 1this is what our starting lineup interior defense looks like right now:
what's fool's gold is to only see what they guy can give you on offense and completely ignore what he gives away on the other end. Even on a hot streaky shooting night like last night he put up 9 points, so it's not that he's really being a difference maker on offense either.
But my biggest beef with the guy is his lack of rebounding. If the idea is to help td be fresh and cut some slack to his knees, then grabbing two boards is simply unacceptable. Dice had 7. Blair had 10. Td had 10.
As far as starting him, well, my problem is when you play both him and finley. If they're not hot (unlike last night), you're simply giving up way too much on the defensive end.
The good news is: Last season, outside of hill, pop didn't have many alternatives when our d was leaking like a sieve. This season he can turn around and call up a few guys. So i hope that over time he'll see he's got better options now.
I wish that there were a good, reasonable answer to that question.
The best I can do is that we must have some bad karma.
What a ing joke !
Why for the love of all that is holy and right would we retain and play that man, esp starting him?
Teams with 2 bigs just feasted. Rasheed Wallace was right when he said just give the ball to whomever Bonner is guarding.
He is a huge defensive liability, size, athleticism, speed,..
And the rebounding (giving the other team second chance shots -- typically higher percentage shots than the first shot a team gets) is absolutely unacceptable.
He is exactly a one trick pony. And he can go cold as ice. He's not frequently in double figures in points. And that's not good since his one talent is on the offensive end.
While starting isn't as important as finishing, it does set the tone.
It is just a dumb move.
*cue up angry Bonner rebuttals*
(Roy) Hibbert enjoyed his matchup with Duncan.
"It was fun to get out there and play hard and get that many chances against a skilled center like Tim Duncan," Hibbert said.
Popovich must be reading this forum. Bonner last minute scratch from the starting lineup.
If this last pre-season game shows anything, its Tim Duncan will need a tougher big than Matt Bonner to help out in the paint from the opening tipoff. If he's having troubles checking his own man (Roy Hibbert) how the is he gonna help Bonner too?
I expect McDyess to be the full time STARTER from here on out, as it should have been from the day he set foot in SA.
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im astounded and disgusted that there are still Bonner nutthuggers.
look, hitting 3 3's and getting 8-9 ppg DOES NOT make up for 0 defense, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 assist, and 2 rebounds.
I DONT WANT TO HEAR THIS 'HE SPACES THE FLOOR' BULL ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have plenty of other guys who can shoot. the last TWO YEARS have shown this 'start bonner/plat him 30 minutes' to be a COMPLETE FAILURE.
A FUKIN CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO REBOUND AND DEFEND PERIOD
if Boner starts and get even 20 min a game our defense will suffer.
Bonner's role should be that of steve kerr when he was on the bulls and spurs. 5-8 min a game or spot plays when you need a 3. PERIOD
Manu disagrees
I read that. Obviously Manu is not speculating, since he is in on everything that is going on with the team and must know something about it. I thought last year that Bonner was a temporary move as a starter and that eventually Thomas would take over, but it never happened. Fab who began the season as the starter became a non factor also after his heart issues. But I agree having Bonner play any large amouts of time throughout the season does not bode well for the team's chances at another le.
If we go into the Regular Season and Matt Bonner is actually starting over Antonio McDyess, I will kill someone. Seriously, what other Team in the League has a Starting Center than can't grab more than 4-5 rebounds a game and 0 blocks?
No team starting Matt Bonner (or playing him more than 15 minutes per game) will ever win a championship.
I thought we got 'Dice to play alongside Tim and take pressure off.
Stress much? During the pre-season, of the 7 Bigs remaining on the Spurs, Matt Bonner has gotten the 2nd fewest minutes per game, 2nd fewest total minutes.
Duncan 19.2 mpg (96 total min)
Blair 17.7 mpg (124 total min)
McDyess 17.0 mpg (102 total min)
Mahinmi 15.3 mpg (92 total min)
Haislip 13.2 mpg (79 total min)
Bonner 12.2 mpg (73 total min)
Ratliff 10.7 mpg (64 total min)
Don't worry about who starts as the 2nd Big on the floor. True, Bonner spaces the floor at BOTH ends but talk of going out and killing somebody or yourself is much ado about nothing.
Yep
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