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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns


    During the 1970s, the Rev. Ed Vischer was a prominent high school basketball coach in Long Island, N.Y., leading powerhouse Lutheran High to a string of state and national rankings.

    Among Vischer’s many keen observations: Skills come first; size is overrated. “It’s not how big you are, it’s how good you are,” he would say, simply but assuredly. Apparently, the message still hasn’t reached the personnel folks in the NBA.

    Teams continue to invest big dough in big bodies, often with meager results. For every high draft pick used on a Shaquille O’Neal(notes), there’s another used on an Andrew Bogut(notes). Teams often view many 7-foot types as “projects,” envisioning the future dominance that could flow from so much height and wingspan as the player’s skills improve with coaching. But a lot of these players flop or, at best, become nothing more than decent players for big money.

    A comparison of statistics to pay shows that all of the 10 most overpaid players in the NBA play in the front court. Leading the pack is Los Angeles Lakers center Andrew Bynum(notes), a first-round pick out of high school four years ago who’s churned out nine points and six rebounds in 21 minutes per game as a pro. Despite putting up meager numbers during his first three seasons, the Lakers, still intrigued with Bynum’s “project” potential, invested four more years and $58 million in him after the 2007-08 season. The project may yet pay off – Bynum improved to 14 points a game last year while averaging the most minutes (29) of his four-year career. But his numbers have a long way to go to catch up to his contract.

    To measure the league’s most overpaid players, we compared major career statistics (primarily minutes played, points and rebounds per game) to players’ current contracts. Since varying contract lengths yield different per-season salary numbers, both total contract value and per-season pay were used in the analysis. Bynum, for example, is measured against other players on the basis of both the $58 million the Lakers invested in him and by the average $14.5 million he rakes in per year.

    Obviously the statistical formula misses some of the subtleties – team play, ball movement, defense – that can sway a player’s value one way or another. But like their counterparts in other sports, basketball players’ pay is primarily driven by the big stats.

    And it’s the big men who collect the most money without putting up the big stats. Bynum is one of six centers on a top 10 list that includes Charlotte’s DeSagana Diop(notes) (almost $7 million a year, 15 minutes a game), Dallas’ Erick Dampier(notes) (over $10 million annually for eight points and eight rebounds a game) and Chicago’s Jerome James(notes) (a part-time player finishing up a three-year, $30 million deal).

    Who’s the most overpaid guard? Keep looking and you’ll eventually find Sacramento’s Beno Udrih(notes) at No. 22. He can thank a five-year, $30 million contract (about twice the NBA’s median salary) for eight points and three assists per game for getting him there. But Udrih is a rarity. Because they aren’t big, guards are more likely to be judged by how good they are. As Vischer always said, that’s what matters.

    The top five:

    1. Andrew Bynum: Slideshow
    2. DeSagana Diop: Slideshow
    3. Andrei Kirilenko(notes): Slideshow
    4. Erick Dampier: Slideshow
    5. Jerome James: Slideshow

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    how can andrew bynum be the most overpaid when he hasn't played 1 regular season game with his new contract

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    Jermaine O'Neal

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    how can andrew bynum be the most overpaid when he hasn't played 1 regular season game with his new contract
    Agreed! In fact, if you are to judge on his play THIS YEAR so far with THIS YEARS salary, he's being paid just what he's worth.

    You cannot make a judgement on current salary by using numbers and accomplishments made during a timespan with a different salary. Moronic.

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    Thanks DPG, but the season hasn't started yet; that writer made a huge rookie mistake...he's writing about Bynum's new salary while using his production when he was paid $3 million.

    He's probably getting fired right now, because if he had compared Apples to Apples, it would have been the complete opposite

    Maybe he wrote this about the pre-season? If so he totally screwed up because Bynum's 20ppg/8 rebounds would have also been one of the better values.

    Can't really blame him though, he writes for Forbes, probably watches more golf tournaments than NBA games.

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    Leave it to a bean-counter to talk about sports. Oh this just gets better, the fool actually explains his formula using Bynum as an example. He obviously doesn't know that Bynum hasn't even started getting paid on this contract yet.

    Bynum's never "raked in $14.5 million per year"

    To measure the league’s most overpaid players, we compared major career statistics (primarily minutes played, points and rebounds per game) to players’ current contracts. Since varying contract lengths yield different per-season salary numbers, both total contract value and per-season pay were used in the analysis. Bynum, for example, is measured against other players on the basis of both the $58 million the Lakers invested in him and by the average $14.5 million he rakes in per year.

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    DPG, pick yourself up, dust yourself off. Yer gonna be ok.

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    DPG, pick yourself up, dust yourself off. Yer gonna be ok.
    Shhh old lady, don't break a hip typing. I don't agree with the article. I am a Bynum supporter. It is just my duty to present both sides of the argument.

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    Shhh old lady, don't break a hip typing. I don't agree with the article. I am a Bynum supporter. It is just my duty to present both sides of the argument.
    Sure. You get caught tiptoeing thru the tulips and you ain't got the sack to just admit it. I can't even get mad at your for it, DPG. I'm too disappointed in you.

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    For some reason, what you think does not seem to bother me one bit.

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    I actually think Tracy McGrady is vastly overpaid. Hornets fans would like to add Peja Stojakovic to that list too. No matter what, Bynum should not be on that list.

    Eddy Curry? Larry Lughes? Jared Jeffries? Rashard Lewis?

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    Sure. You get caught tiptoeing thru the tulips and you ain't got the sack to just admit it. I can't even get mad at your for it, DPG. I'm too disappointed in you.
    hi

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    Rashard Lewis should be on the list, I don't know about T-Mac though, when he signed that contract he was a beast and you can't fault Houston, they didn't know he wouldn't play for most of it.

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    Rashard Lewis should be on the list, I don't know about T-Mac though, when he signed that contract he was a beast and you can't fault Houston, they didn't know he wouldn't play for most of it.
    Kirilenko was the absolute monster on the defensive end of the court and makes good passes and smart offensively when he signed the contract. He is also in the list. So I don't see why McGrady should not be there.

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    For some reason, what you think does not seem to bother me one bit.

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    Oh there's more, DPG. I'm not even sure if he knows who these basketball players are that he's talking about:

    I guess all Euros with Dolph Lundgren haircuts look the same...Andrei Kirelenko anyone?


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    I noticed that too Allanon. I was like WTF. Pretty close though, they could be brothers.

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    I noticed that too Allanon. I was like WTF. Pretty close though, they could be brothers.
    You should have written this article, DPG...I'm sure it woulda been a uva more accurate than this Forbes dude.

    For an economics dude, I can't believe this Forbes dude doesn't know the basic theory of Supply and Demand. Big men are scarce and demand is high for them. When demand exceeds supply, prices go up. Therefore, paying for a high demand commodity is not overpaying but rather fulfilling a need based upon market price.

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    You should have written this article, DPG...I'm sure it woulda been a uva more accurate than this Forbes dude.

    For an economics dude, I can't believe this Forbes dude doesn't know the basic theory of Supply and Demand. Big men are scarce and demand is high for them. When demand exceeds supply, prices go up.
    It is a dumb article, I just figured you would get a good laugh and get a chance to shine.

    Bynum is set for a massive year if he can stay healthy. His contact will be very fair.

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    It is a dumb article, I just figured you would get a good laugh and get a chance to shine.

    Bynum is set for a massive year if he can stay healthy. His contact will be very fair.
    You argue with me all the time, talk to Laker fans, but you're good peoples DPG.

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    Who’s the most overpaid guard? Keep looking and you’ll eventually find Sacramento’s Beno Udrih(notes) at No. 22. He can thank a five-year, $30 million contract (about twice the NBA’s median salary) for eight points and three assists per game for getting him there.
    Uh? Beno averaged about 12.5pts and 4.5ast in the two years with the Kings with that salary.

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    This article is so re ed.

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    Uh? Beno averaged about 12.5pts and 4.5ast in the two years with the Kings with that salary.
    And every Kings fan hates Beno. A player option for 8 million? Beno is putting up empty stats on a weak team and everyone knows it.

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    You argue with me all the time, talk to Laker fans, but you're good peoples DPG.
    Exactly. You can say I hate on Laker fans (even that is usually in good fun), but I am very fair with my assessments on the teams. I never just say things because I hate on a team. If I say something about a team, it is because I truly feel that way about them.

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