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And Splitter to SA is as much a given as it was back in the summer of 2008.
Right. The Spurs shouldn't clog the defensive paint with "old guys" and should instead rely on pansies like Bonner who will stay out of their cover's way.
And Bonner is 29 while Foster is 32. Big ing age difference. Especially when you consider that Bonner's great asset is his "mobility." ROFL. Got damn Spurs fans are getting dumber season after season.
And Splitter to SA is as much a given as it was back in the summer of 2008.
I disagree with that to a certain degree. It is still far from certain, but the fact that the Spurs can offer him more money than ever is a big advantage over any previous year.
Addition of Foster would certainly improve SPURS defense but it will not get SPURS past Lakers. So maybe SPURS should hang on to their expiring contracts to Feb and see which team has given up their hopes and willing to take expiring contracts. Besides, I am not too sure about RJ jelling to SPURS. It is possible to combine these players to make some big moves if things do not go well as expected at that time
looking at the future, spurs should probably use expiring contracts to trade for a solid perimeter player if they are going to use the MLE on splitter. no sense in trading for a big and then using the MLE to try and lure another big over.
Good take.
Especiallly if they already have McDyess Duncan Blair tied up for sure next year and signs indicating a desire to bring Bonner back and maybe even Mahimni if they pick up his option. Spurs are indeed going to try their best to lure over Splitter and will have a good chance at that with the MLE.
At the same time Spurs may not be willing to give Mason 5-6 million a year, which should be right around his value. Finley most likely will call it a career, and Spurs will have the dilemna on resigning Manu. That would leave us with only RJ and Hairston tied up at the wing position. Your reasoning contributes to why I believe trading for a solid multi-dimensional wing would be a better option than trading for a redundant big man.( Which would be the best we could get for Bonner/ Finley or Mason/ Finley). Good post.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-26-2009 at 03:53 AM.
this is the best trade possibility: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=ntrl7w
Foster can't gouard Nowitzki, Jackson can!
Foster can't give us many line up and match up opportunities, Jackson can!
Foster can't play small ball 4 that Pop loves, Jackson can!
Foster doesn't improve us a lot, Jackson does!
Foster doesn't has value behind this season(Splitter coming) Jackson has!
with the Foster trade there's left less minutes for the young bigs, with the Jackson trade there's more!
with the Jackson trade you can protect Manu from injuries(less minutes) and also to have insure for Manu injury situation!
The roster with Jackson trade:
Tony Parker/George Hill
Stephen Jackson/Manu Ginobili/Keith Bogans
Richard Jefferson/Michael Finley/Malik Hairston
Tim Duncan/DeJuan Blair/Marcus Haislip
Antonio McDyess/Ian Mahinmi/Theo Ratliff
Can we trade Marcus Bryant and his soapbox for anything worthwhile?
Well, getting Capt Jack would defenitely help shore up that perimeter defense that's been a huge problem since Bowen left. After seeing yet another small forward shred the spurs (Granger), if I was Pop I would pull the trigger on this trade if it was offered by G.S
I think this trade would put the spurs over the top in the western conference.
Jackson would be my first choice along with Nocioni. They are both 1A and 1B for me.
I think with a player like Sjax we would be pretty dangerous. Are the Spurs willing to do it? As I said a few months ago Jackson would really help on defense. Offense doesn't even have to be discussed as I am sure he would make an even bigger difference defensively.
I wonder if this is offered what would hold the Spurs back if they don't take it. Would it be the money or do they think Sjax will rock the boat and are worried about his character issues? I think they would be willing to take the money, but they are probably not sure if he will cause any trouble. Personally, I don't think you need to worry about that here with Stephen as he respects all the guys on the team, and would listen and be a great team player for us.
Last edited by Ice009; 10-26-2009 at 06:40 AM.
If they want a championship this year, yes. Jackson wants out of G.S., and the spurs desperately need a guy like him who can defend the Josh Howards/Danny Grangers/Lebron James's of the league and get under their skin.
Somebody before (I think Manu4tres) said the spurs were working out an extension for Bonner.
Hope this isn't true, cuz that would kill this whole trade idea
Sjax would be a great fit especially defensively. I wouldn't even think about offense with him as I would make the trade for defensive reasons first. It's a great trade IMO one that the Spurs should be all over right now trying to get.
I wonder if the Spurs are seriously looking at it or not.
I got on Mason Jr. last season around January or early February when his defense started slipping. Most people keep going on about the switch to PG, which to me is a load of . How did him switching to PG affect his defense? That still sucked and he was getting burned quite a bit and just making lots of errors. I recall a game against the Lakers in LA I think it was late January and he blew two assignments and the Lakers hit 2 threes I think and from that point on the game was over. Two huge mental errors from Mason Jr. to start the 3rd and put us in a 10 point hole and Pop called the game off at that point and benched everyone.
This is an excellent point, as fans we tend to focus on the future and thus the support for keeping Hairston and the opposition by some to giving up a 1st round pick to get an aging KT. The FO has to balance the effects of current moves on this year's championship probabilities vs. future fortunes.
It's not an exact science, the ones that choose correctly are called geniuses, the others lose their jobs. So, if Foster improves the chances to win this year from 20% to 30%, do you do it given possible negative effects in 2010? What if they calculate that the odds go up to 50%? And how do you even calculate those odds to begin with?
It would seem that waiting until sometime much closer to the trade deadline, when more complete information is available, would be the smart thing to do. The debate over where the Spurs need the most help should be settled by then.
Jack, Jack, he's our man
Jeff can't do it, Stephen can!!
Looking forward to your spin on how a 10-29 shooting night cons utes 'shredding'.
must be like the 10th time that a trade idea thread is turned in a trade-for-Sjax thread.
not counting all the initially trade-for-Sjax threads.
so any pro Sjax and contra Sjax argument has been repeated about 100 times.
the Sjax virus kills more threads than KBP could have with his nationalisms.
the question, if Spurs need to trade for another big and if Foster could be an option or not, would be quite an interesting discussion.
lol I've wanted Jackson back since after the 2004 season. I'm not really interested in Foster, but it is a tough call who to go after. Foster would be good, but I just think Jackson would make us incredibly dangerous team. Do you wait until the trade deadline or look for a trade now if it is available? I know most of the arguments and usually try not to post in these threads cause I am a bit biased towards any trade for Sjax. Why would you not want an upgrade on the perimeter defensively that would give your team a lot more versatility and someone that can knock down shots in the playoffs?
How many seasons does Sjax have left on his contract? Is it 3 or 4?
Kori said the same thing about Roger's defense. Well if RMJ can't play even marginal perimeter defense that seals it. Funny, everyone was raving about his defense when he was signed. I wanted the spurs to sign Pietrus last year, but apparently he was never looked at as a serious option. Pietrus looks pretty damn good about now for the MLE, eh?
That's the thing can RMJ ever play decent perimeter defense? If he can't then he won't get much court time.
It wasn't clear that I heard extension. I went to one of my sources and was curious to know if Bonner is on the trading block. The answer I got back was the Spurs best interest with Bonner is sign him to a new contract and keep him here for a few more years. Pop adores his work ethic and the versatility he adds to the frontcourt by his range from outside more so than obvious any poster here on ST.
Mason/ Finley( with him coming back in 30 days)/ and Mahimni would work salary wise for Jackson. We can throw in a 1st round pick also if need to be.
We don't have to include Bonner to acquire Jackson or Nocioni salary wise.
I really don't want to be throwing around first rounds picks again though. Do you?
Mahinimi I would do if Splitter is definitely coming over next season. Also, curious if Scola is an unrestricted free agent next season?
lol I've wanted Jackson back since after the 2004 season. I'm not really interested in Foster, but it is a tough call who to go after. Foster would be good, but I just think Jackson would make us incredibly dangerous team. Do you wait until the trade deadline or look for a trade now if it is available? I know most of the arguments and usually try not to post in these threads cause I am a bit biased towards any trade for Sjax
How many seasons does Sjax have left on his contract? Is it 3 or 4?
He has 4 season left and I think you wait a while into the season before you make a major trade so you can evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the team, and also GS is probably expecting value from a trade ie Hill.
Yeah, well I would say NO to including Hill. The only prospect I would be willing to give them is Mahinimi.
If you made the trade who would you be willing to include?
"Looking forward to your spin on how a 10-29 shooting night cons utes 'shreddin"
I'm not just looking at his shooting %, looking at his overall game, to which he clearly left his stamp on. To the tune of 28pts, 14reb, 6asst.
Its a pattern that is very discernible, dating back to last year. The spurs have nobody on the roster that can reasonably check the other teams' best wing player. Short list of players who have recently torched the spurs (from memory) - Granger, JHoward, Durant, Artest, Kobe, Lebron, Iguadola.
The thing about Stephen Jackson that makes him unique is he much like Bowen was back in his prime, where he can effectively guard a variety of players, which probably includes all the players mentioned above.
Who else are the spurs going to turn to this year to keep all these guys from going off night after night? Getting Stephen Jackson in here makes 100% perfect sense given that he wants out of Golden State ASAP and he would help immediately in that area.
I suppose you are going to tell me Bogans is going to shut all these players down...
If it boils down to it. I would in a heart beat. These are perhaps the last two years the Spurs might ever have a great chance at raising the Larry O'Brien Trophy. I wouldn't pull any stops. Especially if a LATE first round pick was the deal maker.
Getting Stephen Jackson would help us greatly. Whenever we would play the Lakers, Kobe would have to be playing defense for 48 minutes with a wing rotation consisting of Manu, RJ, and Jackson. On top of that have to be carrying the load offensively. I'm all for making him work on both sides every minute he's on the court. With Mason and Finley getting quality minutes Kobe can hide half the game on the defensive side of the ball. Which helps him on the other end. At the same time we would have RJ and Stephen to throw at him on the defensive end. I'm all for it.
+1 Its time to pull out ALL the stops and go for broke. Duncan's career is defenitely on its descent, and Manu's too.
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