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All Star playing 40 minutes in a preseason game will ac ulate counting stats. 29 points on 29 shots is hardly indicative of a 'shredding'.
Well you have convinced me, but I already wanted him on the team anyway. I guess we don't need to pay the extra luxury tax that a first round pick would give us and I suppose we won't get anyone near as good as Sjax with that pick. Is this next draft supposed to be a deep one?
All Star playing 40 minutes in a preseason game will ac ulate counting stats. 29 points on 29 shots is hardly indicative of a 'shredding'.
pretty deep raw talent wise.Well you have convinced me, but I already wanted him on the team anyway
Even if he has 4 years left. The day Tim retires our reign and era where we compete for a championship year in and year out is over. That being said if Tim does retire in 2 years, we can trade Jackson's remaining contract to a true contender for expirings and a pick. If we can get rid of Rasho and Maliks contract we can get rid of Jackson if it were to ever boil down to it. Jackson makes 7.6 this year and 8.2 next year. Great value for a player of his caliber.
Jackson's remaining contract for 4 years won't necessary require talented value. Golden State is already having a hard time finding a suitor as is because of his contract. More than likely Golden State will ask for value in young prospects on rookie scale contracts in the beginnning and teams would laugh. Then when the trading deadline comes around the best offer they most likely recieve are expirings and a 1st maybe. That's the way the business works. The only teams that would be willing to consider adding Jackson and his contract are contenders that have a real possibility for a le. Therefore there's only a select few Golden State can negotiate with anyway.
San Antonio, Dallas, Cleveland have been mentioned.
You won't see a lottery team or an inferior fringe playoff team that are in rebuilding or semi rebuilding mode making a move to add a contract like Jackson's. Not in this day and age.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-26-2009 at 07:54 AM.
So what exactly did you say that was different then what I said in one fragment?
Whoever knows. This last draft was suppose to be the weakest and we ended up with DeJuan Blair. You can never know who will fall in your lap or what will happen on draft day.Well you have convinced me, but I already wanted him on the team anyway
It's a mystery all the way up until the day of the draft. Especially for teams with late picks. There will be very few gems. Hill was one and so was Blair.
Splitter and Jackson would be our 1st round pick next year. Sound good?
Trying to get you to understand, expirings plus a 1st will probably be the best Golden State can do when it's said and done.
yeah that's why I said wait into the season to one evaluate the team and to wait for the price to be reduced because they are still looking for value.
Golden State most likely already understands expirings and maybe a 1st is the best they can do.
It's been over a month, nothing has happened.
I think all the teams want to see how their roster works together before they make a major move.
Has anybody actually looked at SJax salary before even suggesting going there?
Foster for Bonner/Finley is at least realistic, in that Foster would be an expiring contract next season.
And some of you guys really forgot how horrible were Bonner/Mason /Finley (in that order) on the postseason. I have to assume you either blocked it out of your mind, or simply decided to erase the memories.
Bonner would be a borderline bench player on any of the other 5 or so elite teams.
That is the whole point. Do you trust Bonner and Mason Jr. in the playoffs? What is the point of waiting around until the trade deadline if Bonner and RMJ are playing great in the regular season? Those two playing great in the regular season doesn't mean much to me. That doesn't mean they can't turn it around, but I think you know what I mean here. If you have any doubts about their ability in the playoffs then you go for the trade with Stephen Jackson now.
I don't think the regular season will tell us how they are going to perform in the playoffs. They are still both unknown and have basically only one round of playoff experience whereas Jackson has a lot more than that.
Anyway the trade can be done with out Bonner, but I'd say RMJ would have to be the centerpiece of it.
Not in this economy you won't get rid of such a contract, especially since he's going to be 32 or 33 years old, and on the decline. Just look how difficult it is for GSW to move him right now.
But above all, if you think the Spurs are going to be $20 million over the lux tax for a guy that might be an excellent player, but you know is a head case, then you're completely wrong.
For a small market team like the Spurs, 'pulling all the stops' is absorbing one bad contract (like RJ), and bringing in on of the top FA this summer (Dice). Landing Blair was pure luck.
My take on any trade talk at this point for the Spurs, at least until February when they know a little better what they have and how the other teams look like, would need to be done to address specific needs or to save money.
Foster for a combination of Bonner/Finley/RMJ would address helping Tim on defense, along with Ratliff, who simply can't play that many minutes (or so it seems).
ok, I quit....mods please rename the thread to "get Sjax volume 57"
and btw. he will end up in Cleveland anyhow.
there they just watch the next chapter in the endless Delonte West saga:
I guess they Cavs will know that West is out of control and decide to react. they will finally take Sjax plus another long term contract (Turiaf?) off the Warriors hands for Z. Warriors will become a player in the 2010 free agency with about 15 million cap space.http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11379695
Cleveland Cavaliers player Delonte West and his wife reportedly got into a spat Saturday evening that ended with West's wife filing a domestic violence report. The two reportedly fought at their apartment when Delonte tried to take her wedding ring off. Mrs. West left their home and headed to Cleveland Hopkin's International Airport, where she filed a domestic violence report.
and no more Sjax threads here.
good times.
Can't wait for the season begin so I can see threads like this one disappear!!
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=952450 -Jackson back to SA
Check out the comments. Warriors and Raptors fans actually agree to this. You know how hardcore the Raptor community is on RealGM, don't you?
I'm not completely wrong. Spurs will go over the luxury tax by 15-20 million anyway. Pop has pretty much made it known that RJ was brought here to play with Manu therefore Manu will be back next year if he's healthy. On top of that Mason/ Bonner will look to be resigned. Not to mention R.C has mentioned Spurs will explore attaining Splitter with the MLE. So regardless Spurs and Peter Holt have put all their chips in for the next two years anyway. Not just this year.
If Spurs resign Manu that will leave the Spurs with Manu/ RJ/ Hairston as the only players at the wing with a guaranteed contract. Since they are going after Splitter with the MLE, there best option to attain another player at the wing would be to resign Mason since he wouldn't cost us any of our MLE to resign him. If they don't then they are screwed in the depth department because they would only be able to sign a wing for the minimum.
That being said I rather have Jackson than Mason.
And plus you can get rid of that contract to a contender most specifically, if that time were to come.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
"I play this game to win,” Jackson said. “If any fan wants a guy that wants to make money and not win games, what kind of fan are you? You should want guys that respect the game and want to win.
“That’s what I’ve always been about. It was a different experience because you felt the winning at ude. Everybody was together. It wasn’t the [front] office against the core players in San Antonio. Everyone was on the same page. It was easy to win because everyone had the same goal, to win. I think every organization should be like that.”
Sounds like he would be an extreme headcase here. Much like 2003?
Don't get me wrong, I love SJax. But if you still don't understand why he left in 2003 (and it wasn't necessarily money), then I can't help you.
I do understand why he wasn't brought back. It was much more than Jackson himself. Pacers didn't want to let Brad Miller go for nothing. Sacramento wanted Brad Miller badly. The result? They needed a third party to get the sign and trade deal done and San Antonio was lucky to be included. Spurs were offered Ron Mercer and Hedo Turkoglu for absolutely nothing. At that time Stephen Jackson didn't like the Spurs offer and his agent was seeking a long term deal. At that same time when Jackson's agent was playing hard-ball, Pacers and Kings needed an answer quickly if San Antonio would be willing to take on Mercer and Turkoglu's contract by only trading the retiring Danny Ferry. If they wouldn't comply to their deadline the Spurs would have been left out and those two teams would have found another destination for the two. Spurs couldn't turn that down at that point in time because they could possibly lose out on Jackson by his agent's contract demands.
It wasn't Jackson's at ude as the reason why he left, Pop and Duncan loved Jackson that was a reason why he started for us in 2003 and another reason why he was still desired by the team, which was evident by the initial contract offer for Jackson.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-26-2009 at 09:52 AM.
When you play an 82 games plus the playoffs over an 8 month period. There will be moments where you disagree with decisions and have words with your coach. I don't care what team you play for or who you are. Bruce and Manu have got into with Popovich on many occasions throughout their career here. In the heat of battle and compe ion this happens in sports. It's the nature of the beast.
The only concern I'd have with Jackson is if he put himself infront of and in favor of the team. That I just don't see happening if he were to ever wear black and silver again.
If Popovich really found Jackson's discussions with him a distraction Popovich would have sat Jackson like him and Bob Hill did to Rodman. That wasn't the case as a situation like such never transpired.
There's zero doubt in my mind that Jackson simply wanted to be THE MAN. Captain Jack. He wasn't going to be that under Duncan's shadow.
For a guy that claims that all he wants is to win rings, he passed up an opportunity to win more rings to end up in Atlanta looking for a better contract down the line? It's not like he had a boatload of suitors back then.
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