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It must suck to be a Laker fan right now. The feeling of impending doom coming from the Pacific Northwest must be unbearable.
Exactly. You don't have a ign comeback because your argument is weak and ing filled with holes.
Start calling your ass swiss ign cheese dip .
IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW you piece of .
Be ign thankful for once and stop ign crying....
It must suck to be a Laker fan right now. The feeling of impending doom coming from the Pacific Northwest must be unbearable.
I love your sarcasm. Very clever.
Sure, these other ones would have been good too:
Marc Gasol + Jefferson
Marc Gasol + Mike Miller
Marc Gasol + Andres Nocioni
Marc Gasol + David Lee
All would have been more bang for the buck than Pau Gasol by himself.
Hah, stupid homer Lakerfan. I just realized now you're the same Milkshakeballa that wuz getting laughed at here last season.
Wasn't it your dad that came and apologized for you or was that a different little kid?
Getting Pau was easily the right move. He's the perfect offensive player in the triangle for Kobe. A passing big man that has a nice touch from different spots on the floor, commands doubles, and makes his FT's. And he delivered with a Finals appearance followed up with a Championship. Not much more you can ask for from a player. This with injuries to Bynum 2 years in a row forcing him to play out of position as a center. With a healthy Bynum you will see just how good these two players will be. Lamar is a nice player, but not nearly the player Pau is. Coming off of the bench has made Lamar that much better of a player.
Marc Gasol is a nice player and i was shocked that he dropped all the way to the 2nd round. Most draft sites had him going to the Lakers in the first round but for whatever reason he fell to us in the second. Either amazing luck by the Lakers or a shrewd move by Mitch. Either way a great pick up. But he's a center and not a PF. The center position is already filled by Bynum. As much as I like Marc he won't be as good as Bynum. He's also not as versatile as Pau, who can slide in nicely into the center position for extended minutes. Marc will have more problems sliding into the PF position. The frontcourt of Pau-Bynum-Odom is much better then the frontcourt of Odom-Bynum-Marc.
As for the other player you are talking about which would have had to be a Kwame for somebody trade (more than likely Critt and a first included) due to the salary cap. Letting Kwame walk would not have been enough to get us under the cap (if i remember correctly) and with the whole Kobe drama the summer before it's hard to not see teams trying to fleece the Lakers in trades. It was a great trade and has produced both short and long term. If the cost for Pau was Marc then that's what it was. You have to give up something to get something. It was the perfect move at the time and produced and continues to produce. Not sure how anybody can call it anything different.
It was a good move but it could have been better. So many people talk about this imaginary lop-sided trade but was it really lop-sided?
When Marc's averaging 16-10 this year for $3 million a year and the Lakers are paying Pau $16 million for 18-10, who got the better end of the deal?
Kwame could have netted a player like Richard Jefferson while allowing the Lakers to keep Marc Gasol. If the Lakers didn't have Lamar, Pau would be the better choice. As much as I like Pau, I would much rather have a guy like RJ + Marc Gasol+Odom than just Pau+Odom.
Of course it wasn't lopsided it was pretty much 4 1st rounders and an expiring for Pau. With one of them more then just potential. It was a good trade for Memphis. But the fact is this is still a big mans game. Marc is a center Pau is a forward. Odom is not nearly as good as Pau. Bynum is better than Marc. Moving Odom to the 6th spot is better then moving Marc there. This makes the PF/C rotation that much better. As for the other player who would have probably been a PG is hard to say without seeing who was available and matching salaries and all that. Not something I'm interested in doing. And in your equation down there at the bottom you're forgetting to add Bynum into the equation which is a main reason why the Lakers were more interested in Pau then Marc.
I understand alot of Laker fans don't like Lamar Odom and don't really give him much credit so I won't argue the point on the merits of Lamar Odom.
On inserting Bynum:
Bynum/Lamar/Marc Gasol/Richard Jefferson
Is better than
Bynum/Pau/Odom
Last edited by Allanon; 10-28-2009 at 03:32 PM.
...you really are re ed.
Who would we have traded to get Richard Jefferson?
Was this offer on the table?
So we should PASS up the trade with the Grizz to go after Richard ING Jefferson??? Whose to say they wouldn't have demanded Marc too?
My god your a ing troll
And btw.....
Bynum/Lamar/PAU GASOL/ Artest
would ing murder
Bynum/Lamar/Marc Gasol/Richard ING Jefferson
Kwame, Javaris Crittenton
Spurs got him.Was this offer on the table?
Kobe said it himself after seeing Marc in the Olympics...they didn't have to give up Marc Gasol and should have kept him.So we should PASS up the trade with the Grizz to go after Richard ING Jefferson??? Whose to say they wouldn't have demanded Marc too?
"Me and Kobe were talking about it," said Jason Kidd. "He's a guy who knows how to play the game. Anyone would love to have him on their team."
Sorry but Bynum/Lamar/Artest/Marc Gasol/Richard Jefferson would have pwned Bynum/Lamar/Pau/ArtestMy god your a ing troll
And btw.....
Bynum/Lamar/PAU GASOL/ Artest
would ing murder
Bynum/Lamar/Marc Gasol/Richard ING Jefferson
5 on 4 kind of pwnage.
Wow...now you think Artest would come here when we already have Richard Jefferson?
I'm sick of pwning your sorry ass
And the Spurs picked up Jefferson THIS PAST OFFSEASON DUMB
We picked up Pau on Feb. 1, 2008.
Can't we all just get along?
Why not? RJ can play the 2/3 positions and Ron can play 3/4.
Who's to say the Lakers couldn't have gotten him sooner?And the Spurs picked up Jefferson THIS PAST OFFSEASON DUMB
We picked up Pau on Feb. 1, 2008.
RJ to the Spurs was a pure salary dump.
I think you've only been pwning yourself this whole time, much like this:I'm sick of pwning your sorry ass
Milkshakeballa "That's the ONLY problem with these Euro players coming over here...they don't know hood...don't know where the roots of basketball come from....the blacktop...these guys are SOFT as and its sad to watch"
Are you talking about Pau or Marc?
I like Lamar Odom he's an excellent rebounder, a good passer, and a great team guy. What he is not is a player that commands doubles and consistent enough to be an offensive threat. At least can u admit that Pau is a much better player than Odom? And I disagree about adding Richard Jefferson would make that team better. We would lose or huge frontcourt advantage. Basketball is still a big mans game and the Pau/Bynum/Odom rotation is better then the Odom/Bynum/Marc rotation. An added wing player wouldn't be enough to offset the advantage we have. A PG maybe but hard to say who was out there at that time for Kwame.
you don't you compare him to me
I agree Pau is much better than Odom offensively. However; both Marc and Lamar are superior defenders compared to Pau. Lamar's defense is the reason why he and Kobe led the Lakers in +/- last year.
This is only true if Marc Gasol sucks. I think Odom/Marc/Bynum/Jefferson more than offsets Odom/Pau/Bynum.And I disagree about adding Richard Jefferson would make that team better. We would lose or huge frontcourt advantage. Basketball is still a big mans game and the Pau/Bynum/Odom rotation is better then the Odom/Bynum/Marc rotation. An added wing player wouldn't be enough to offset the advantage we have. A PG maybe but hard to say who was out there at that time for Kwame.
In your estimate, what kind of numbers will Marc Gasol put up this year and what will Pau Gasol do this year?
Collusion.
I know what you mean. But don't say I didn't try. I tried to end this 3 pages ago but this little punk wants to keep on running his mouth like diarrhea so we'll keep on going
You're missing the point. Marc is a center Bynum is a Center. He would not see the floor nearly as much in LA as he does in Memphis. It's also much more difficult to slide him to the PF spot then it is to slide Pau to the Center spot. It would mess up the 3 man frontcourt rotation that is working so nice now. A fourth player would be needed to be brought in to play at the 4 for substantial minutes.
To say the least...I honestly thought he was trolling at the beginning.
I never thought it was possible for someone to be so dumb...
Lamar played well defensively last year but to be honest he is not that much better than Pau defensively. They are different players and have different strengths defensively. Arguably very close or equal in rebounding with Lamar being more athletic for smaller PF's and Pau being bigger for more traditional ones. Marc is good defensively but he's a center and I'd rather have those minutes go to Andrew.
Just ignore allanon. He just wants to distinguish himself by making outlandish statements. Don't waste anymore time reading his posts.
How is this different from what's going on now? There are 3 players now eating into 2 spots (Pau/Odom/Bynum) just like there would be the other way around (Bynum/Marc/Odom). It's 3 players sharing 2 spots any way you look at it, what's the difference?
So this really comes down to how good or sucky you think Marc will be this year. Please give me a guess on what you think Marc's numbers will be and Pau's numbers this year.
Lamar/Ron/Powell/Luke seems like a great 4 rotation not needing anything else. I'm not really sure what you mean here.It would mess up the 3 man frontcourt rotation that is working so nice now. A fourth player would be needed to be brought in to play at the 4 for substantial minutes.
RE ED.
Ok:
Bynum - CENTER and ONLY a center
LO - PF and ONLY a PF
Pau - can play BOTH PF and C and dominate at both positions
See how that one works?
Bynum - CENTER and ONLY a center
LO - PF and ONLY a PF
Marc - Is a true center. Has RARELY if ever seen time at PF. 90% of his minutes in the NBA will be at C.
UNDERSTAND DUMB ?
KORI BAN THIS GUY.
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