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What? All I am saying is that Nash's defense couldn't have been that awful last night if Baron Davis had 12 points on 4 of 11 shooting.
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What? All I am saying is that Nash's defense couldn't have been that awful last night if Baron Davis had 12 points on 4 of 11 shooting.
Nash got posted up numerous times by Eric Gordon.
He lit his ass up NUMEROUS times.
Baron Davis can find a way to go 4-11 in the pregame layup line.
Nash was on Gordon a lot to prevent him having to guard Baron. It was fine, but Gordon is a strong guy and missed a pretty key layup that let the Suns win. With poor performances offensively and defensively from the post players (Kaman had his way down there and Frye was shooting terribly), it was nice to see Dudley out there hustling and hitting some big shots, Grant Hill playing like he's 30, Clark being a little raw but athletic, Dragic not turning it over every possession and Nash coming up huge. A loss to the Clips would have demoralized me and I would have demanded my league pass money back from Stern. Although he would then take my money and suspend me for requesting it in the first place.
Lou and Clark need not to take a shot longer than 10 feet. If they can turn Clark's shot around like they did Amare's, then he could become pretty efficient. Amare has no idea what defense or rebounding are, although the shot by Butler was pretty ridiculous and his defense wasn't terrible on that play.
I don't get DOK's logic. The Suns are not as talented as they've been in recent years. Why wouldn't it take a last-second shot and amazing comeback to beat the Clip Show on the road? These aren't the 2005 or 2007 Suns.
He doesn't have any. He just hates on his own team for sucking like any bandwagoner fan from 2005 would
I think he's entertaining. He's the mono of the Suns fanbase.
I'd be pissed too if my team had that same at ude and our star player "just wanted to have fun." Honestly I can't really blame the guy, the Suns FO destroyed that team waaaaaaaay prematurely, I mean they could easily still be contending. They lost alot of good players that fit perfectly into their system and made the ultimate dumbass move by trading for Shaq. Imagine if they kept Joe Johnson, found a way to pacify Marion, and kept some of those other shooters like Richardson? Nash is still the same old Nash, nothings changed.
Exactly. DoK constantly trashing him for "wanting to have fun" is like trashing Tim for being boring and unathletic. Nothing's changed, nor will it ever.
People take that quote way too out of context. If you're telling me Nash didn't literally bleed for his team from 2004-07, I don't know what to tell you. Dude wanted to win badly, he just disagreed with Porter and Kerr's philosophy of getting bigger and slower.
Well, I can understand DOK's frustration, but why take it out on Nash? Nash is what he is, and he wasn't going to get a better $$ offer elsewhere. He should be griping more at Kerr for extending him. Just seems to be a bit short-sighted to constantly bash the player when it's Kerr that's responsible for keeping him there.Honestly I can't really blame the guy, the Suns FO destroyed that team waaaaaaaay prematurely, I mean they could easily still be contending. They lost alot of good players that fit perfectly into their system and made the ultimate dumbass move by trading for Shaq. Imagine if they kept Joe Johnson, found a way to pacify Marion, and kept some of those other shooters like Richardson? Nash is still the same old Nash, nothings changed
Yep.
Even calling out Nash for his porous defense the other night was bizzare. The Suns made Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby look like Robinson and Duncan. They absolutely destroyed the Suns front court. The team was shooting 60% in the half and DOK wants to blame Nash?
Amare will get better (at least offensively). He needs a game against Duncan or Garnett to get his compe ive juices flowing.
Frye is hopeless. He'd be a nice backup, but he's not a starter in this league. Not eve close.
I want to hold out hope for some miracle trade, but even thoe require expiring contracts. The Suns decided to buy out theirs (Ben Wallace) so thats pretty much it. Unless someone wants to take on Jason Richardson (dont count on it), this will probably be their lineup unless theyre doing really bad and decide to dump Amare.
You're right about it getting taken out of context. I don't doubt that Nash is a great compe or and did everything in his power to try to bring a championship to Phoenix. Part of "having fun" is the actual winning part. I think it's alot easier for him to take things out of context whenever your team's system is proven throughout history to be doomed to failure. And when the run is finally over and the Suns are fading, Nash's comment is just kind of like salt in the wound. While the fans like DoK are pissed, Nash is acting unaffected because he still gets to go out and get payed to have fun. I think that's what pisses DoK off.
Again, agreed that Nash isn't the one to blame. The FO is. The Shaq trade happened under Kerr's watch, many good system players were traded away, they traded away the best coach for the type of system they run, then resigned Nash to further ensure mediocrity for years to come. If anyone's to blame it's Kerr, I think DoK is mad at the wrong little white point guard.
According to Donaghy, the refs hate Sarver too. And think about it, they refused to pay Joe Johnson the big bucks, but then sign Banks and Diaw to more than what Joe was asking for.
They trade away picks for cash, which makes no sense because there's a rookie payscale in place rather than signing Richardson to a huge deal, then trading him, and then trading away the guy you got for him (Kurt Thomas) and any chance at landing a decent pick in the 2010 draft. It makes absolutely no sense. If they wanted to save money, why did they give Richardson a $42m deal, Diaw a $45m deal, Banks a $24m deal, instead of just keeping Johnson for over $70m, especially after already jettisoning Richardson's big contract in a nice fleecing of Isiah?
OK, fine, so they really needed to give away the pick that could have been Deng/Igoudola in 2004, but then it's unacceptable to do the same for a potential Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, or Rudy Fernandez in the following years and then blowing all your $ on Marcus Freaking Banks to sit on the bench and light up the Vegas summer league. They justify the actions these days with Amare by hiding behind his medical problems and defensive issues, but they never would have needed a backup PG (or the billions they spent on Dragic) if they just kept Joe Johnson... an All-Star. I'm not completely absolving Joe for then demanding to get out of town because I don't see why a pure shooting SG/backup PG would ever leave a team with Steve Nash on it, but then again we saw Shawn Marion grow more content leaving a .700 team and going to a .200 team, and then languishing until the Mavs/Magic/Raptors saved him.
I just don't get how Sarver would say "no, I need $3m on draft day" and then say, "sure, give this guy who has been trade 1,000 times $6m per year" (Marcus Banks). And the problem is that except for Q-Rich for Kurt Thomas, they haven't gotten anything in return for these monster mistake contracts - Banks turned into nothing, Shaq turned into cost savings, Diaw/Bell at least were turned into Dudley (a guy that hustles), and the worst is that they gave away one of their few assets (K. Thomas) and their future to the Sonics, who then turned around and gave him to the team's biggest nemesis. It makes your head spin, which is why I simply keep offering as much as I can to Atlanta on NBA 2k10 to get Joe Johnson back and live the fantasy I've had since 2005.
And let's not get into out of context with the Nash quote - because it is out of context and I've said this many times. Nash put in one of the best 3-game playoff performances in 2005 vs. the Mavs, literally bled on the court in Game 1 of the 07 series vs. the Spurs. He loves going against his friends (Dirk/Baron) and coming up with the huge victories. Say all you want about how they shouldn't need a last-second shot vs. the Clips to win, but the fact is that Steve will get everyone involved for 3 quarters, but if he needs to take over, he does, and he did it against Clips when the Suns were down 7 midway through the quarter. Defensively, he's still a liability, but when you can come down and take it right back with dagger 3's, pull up jumpers, left-handed layups, and clutch FTs, you can't get completely blamed for a much larger Eric Gordon backing you down. He just never could end up playing well against Bruce Bowen and part of that is D'Antoni's blame for not getting him enough help in the offense and forcing him and 5 other guys to play pretty much every minute of every playoff game. No bloody nose in 07 and no Duncan 3 in 08 and Nash may have made a Finals (although getting past Utah would have been tough in 07).
Diaw was a guard in Atlanta, how tough was it to have him bring the ball up the court against Finley? Or at least hop out with Diaw and try to run Nash off some screens to get him free of Bowen? Then you've got multiple screeners (Amare, Thomas) who can hit a jumper if Diaw goes with them, not to mention the fact that Boris could perform a hand-off screen for Nash or back down on guys like Manu and Finley from 15 feet away. And then the only spot up 3 point shooter out there (Bell) can perform his own Bowen/Finley routine in the corners. I don't think such an offense (or actual coaching adjustments during a playoff series) is that difficult.
However, if this team were cons uted in 2005, I would love them for the future: at least some decent young guys who will get some PT under Gentry and Nash and Hill haven't yet hit old age and Amare hasn't hit lifetime of injuries.
Man, people just don't want to let go of that "want to have fun quote"... Just watch the game and enjoy it...
That's horribly inaccurate you stupid fat Mexican. The 2005 bandwagon fans are the ones who love Nash the most.
LOL, just go for another team. Come back when the Suns are doing better.
Is that your way of saying you have no counter argument to what I just posted?
that's cold
This. When I read an article about how Nash thinks lowered expectations are a good thing, it pisses me off.
If anyone thinks I'm blaming Nash for the collapse of the team, I'd love to see where I posted that.
It's ironic coming from a Suns fan who's never lived in Phoenix.
Per the usual with both you and your re ed trolls, your argument is based on fallible logic.
First of all, even if the majority love Nash because they began bandwagoning in 2005 (which I have yet to see you post any actual proof besides your commonly wrong/stupid opinion), it doesn't mean everyone who started bandwagoning in 05 means they love him. In fact, its undoubtable that there are fans who jumped on the 'wagon in 05 that are angry now because their team is no longer a contender.
Second, being a racist consistently is just sad. Others use it as a troll attempt, you consistently use it to actually insult other people directly. You're a big pussy, Internet Tough Guy. "Stupid fat mexicans" outwit you daily on these forums, which is why you fear them.
As usual, you fail. You accuse me of not knowing what an ad hominem argument is, when you use them all the time as if they were legitimate. Dumb .
I almost feel bad... Almost.
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