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    For the record, the Bulls are abusing the Celtics on the offensive boards tonight, and this time they're the ones coming off the B2B. I've heard the Celtics have a pretty impressive frontcourt, too.

    Not excusing anything; we can't afford to give up the boards like that. But Chicago is definitely stressing hitting the glass. We just weren't ready for it. Adjustments will be made over the long season.
    huh, the Bulls are losing by 30 to the Celts

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    Look at what Boston's doing to Chicago, why don't we have that kind of energy when we faced them yesterday.
    It doesn't matter, do you think Lakers, Magic or Celtics use that as an excuse for losing?

    Indeed it does matter. Believing otherwise puts you in an alternate reality where everyone lives forever, ugly guys bang hot chicks all the time and world hunger has been solved. It's not an excuse, but an explanation. No one is going to whine about it, except fans such as yourself.

    Boston isn't playing a BTB, plus they're at home. The Bulls? Yeah they're on a BTB and you can tell. They're a step behind just like the Spurs were last night. They also happen to be much younger than the Spurs.

    It matters.......

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    It was not only a b2b but also after the 1st game of the season and a long flight. RJ and Dice both had bad nights.

    The bigger problem is I'm not sure the Spurs will ever have an elite defense with their current roster. They haven't replaced BOWEN, and when Duncan is off the floor, the low post defense is suspect. They need either Bogans or Hairston to contribute, and Blair to improve on defense. Also Ratliff would be a defensive upgrade, but his ability to play a lot of minutes is questionable.

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    Indeed it does matter. Believing otherwise puts you in an alternate reality where everyone lives forever, ugly guys bang hot chicks all the time and world hunger has been solved. It's not an excuse, but an explanation. No one is going to whine about it, except fans such as yourself.

    Boston isn't playing a BTB, plus they're at home. The Bulls? Yeah they're on a BTB and you can tell. They're a step behind just like the Spurs were last night. They also happen to be much younger than the Spurs.

    It matters.......
    I'm not whining got. I'm just saying that we didn't have enough energy to keep up with the Bulls. Lakers and Celtics play back-to-back and they have no problems, sure their energy is not as high as the first night, but they still play with alot of energy. stfu and go back to spectating , you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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    I'm not whining got. I'm just saying that we didn't have enough energy to keep up with the Bulls. Lakers and Celtics play back-to-back and they have no problems, sure their energy is not as high as the first night, but they still play with alot of energy. stfu and go back to spectating , you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
    Impressive post. I will now be fearful to take an opposing view so as to spare myself your wrath.

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    Impressive post. I will now be fearful to take an opposing view so as to spare myself your wrath.

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    Impressive post. I will now be fearful to take an opposing view so as to spare myself your wrath.
    i'm not mad, just telling this guy that i hate the excuse of back to backs. It's pretty lame and every team goes through it.

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    well the Bulls won the offensive rebounding battle 16-10 vs. Boston, and they shot a % similar to what we allowed..the difference was that the Celtics shot 58% offensively, including 12 3-pointers..

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    Spurs Look Winded in Loss to Bulls
    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/10/30/s...loss-to-bulls/

    You're going to have to forgive us here in the early season for a bit. If we don't report on trends that are developing, we're ignoring what we're seeing. If we do tell you what we see, we're over-emphasizing games that are so young in this season that they can't even legally get into a screening of New Moon.

    Basically, that's my way of imploring you to remember that we do take these things with a gigantic mountain of salt, but here's what happened. And trust me, the Spurs are going to want to brush this one off.

    The San Antonio Spurs consider themselves a championship contender. Loaded with talent both young and old, they consider themselves ready to compete with the Lakers for the Western Conference crown. But to do so they'll need to get the highest seed possible to face weaker opponents in early rounds. And in order to get that high seed, they'll need to win back-to-back games on the road. On Thursday they looked like that might be more of a challenge than they're ready for at this early stage, as the Spurs fell to the Chicago Bulls 92-85.

    It was a night where the Spurs shot 19 percent from 3-point land, shot only 42 percent overall, and were beaten on the offensive glass, 15-8. But the most glaring thing you came away with in this game was that for a team that was supposed to have reloaded to get rid of that "old, tired" description that's hung around them for years, even when they were winning championships, the Spurs were blown away by the Bulls' speed, energy, and athleticism.

    Tim Duncan did what he does, scoring 28 points on 19 shots with 16 boards and 3 blocks, a simply sublime performance. But Manu Ginobili was the only other Spur in double digits with 12, while Tony Parker shot 4-11, Richard Jefferson 3-9, and Roger Mason 0-4. Rookie sensation and instant hype machine DeJuan Blair had only 6 points and 4 rebounds in 12 minutes, good for a rookie, but close to what he'll probably produce night in and night out.

    The Spurs were unable to close off penetration lanes, unable to block out Joakim Noah and Luol Deng (10 offensive rebounds combined), and unable to lock down Derrick Rose, who finished with 13 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists with just one turnover. The Bulls consistently were able to produce quality ball rotations leading to open three pointers. If the Bulls had shot better than their putrid 19% from the arc, the difference could have been


    greater. As it was, Luol Deng looked capable of filling in some of the gap from Ben Gordon's departure, Derrick Rose looked like he was progressing, Joakim Noah is a top 10 center in the league right now, and Kirk Hinrich provides both shooting and defensive toughness with quality minutes.

    Perhaps most startling is that the Spurs, normally so resolved mentally, could have such a flat night so early. Just last night they walloped the Hornets, running them ragged and dominating them defensively. But against a Bulls squad who arguably have a better roster 1-10 than the Hornets, the Spurs looked not only slow and languid, but lost.

    I'd expect an unpleasant conversation happened in the locker room after Thursday's game and that the Spurs will answer. But the loss might also be best served as a reminder to the Spurs not to believe the hype, and that like they always preach, they've got to keep pounding that rock with the hammer if they want to collect the one for the thumb.
    Obviously, this article was written by Pop under a pseudonym.

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    well the Bulls won the offensive rebounding battle 16-10 vs. Boston, and they shot a % similar to what we allowed..the difference was that the Celtics shot 58% offensively, including 12 3-pointers..
    so, in essence, had we made our shots we would have won the game?
    why didn't you say that before?!

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    I'm not whining got. I'm just saying that we didn't have enough energy to keep up with the Bulls. Lakers and Celtics play back-to-back and they have no problems, sure their energy is not as high as the first night, but they still play with alot of energy. stfu and go back to spectating , you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
    That sounds exactly like the kind of stance the media would take and we would all hate them for it. "Fellating the Lakers and Celtics!" we would all say.

    The Spurs played with plenty of energy for a Spurs team, they just didn't hit their shots. Easy.

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    I'm just pointing out that the Celtics "lived and died by the 3" tonight too..they shot pretty much the same attempts that we did last night..so that part of the complain isn't valid..

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    I'm not whining got. I'm just saying that we didn't have enough energy to keep up with the Bulls. Lakers and Celtics play back-to-back and they have no problems, sure their energy is not as high as the first night, but they still play with alot of energy. stfu and go back to spectating , you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
    :lol i'm not mad, just telling this guy that i hate the excuse of back to backs. It's pretty lame and every team goes through it.
    Indeed it does matter. Believing otherwise puts you in an alternate reality where everyone lives forever, ugly guys bang hot chicks all the time and world hunger has been solved. It's not an excuse, but an explanation. No one is going to whine about it, except fans such as yourself.

    Boston isn't playing a BTB, plus they're at home. The Bulls? Yeah they're on a BTB and you can tell. They're a step behind just like the Spurs were last night. They also happen to be much younger than the Spurs.

    It matters.......

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    the Spurs need to throw Bonner on the IR and give Mahinmi or even Haislip a chance.

    also, Finley starting is ridiculous. i'd rather see Hairston out there. Fin and Bonner are too slow to keep up with the athletes the Bulls have.

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    First, let me say I dont mind our attempt average, especially when they are falling.

    The problem lies on those nights when they are not falling. It all stems from the way the Spurs play defense. We prefer to pop off a shot and run back to get a set defense and prevent a fast break for the other team. The problem with that is we inherently get no second chance points.
    I absolutely adore the fact that these 3 point loving idiots still havnt addressed my valid arguement and, after they where asking for one, still havnt refuted my point after 3+ pages.

    They wanted a "compelling arguement" and they shut the up when I present one.

    Again, my problem isnt with the volume of 3pt shots we take, its when we are taking them and missing like crazy, but yet inexplicity KEEP taking them that pisses me off.


    analogy:

    For the real men out there...

    If your trying to drill a hole through a piece of metal and all you have are wood bits, and they keep breaking, are you going to continue breaking your wood bits or are you going to not be a nig idiot and go buy the correct bit for the job?

    Sure, with the wood bits you will eventually get thru, but is it really that productive?
    Last edited by phyzik; 10-31-2009 at 01:14 AM.

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    So we're back to Bonner. Frankly, I'm weary of that debate. I don't love Bonner or his game. My point has always been that, just as with all players on the roster, he should play the number of minutes that optimizes the team's chances to win. Right now, IMO, only Duncan and Dice are clearly better. Blair has unlimited potential, but he is most definitely a work in progress. Ratliff can't play major minutes and I don't think Haislip or Ian are NBA ready. So until a trade is made for a better player, which I have supported, we're stuck with him.

    Now to your case. Blaming the offensive rebounding issues on Bonner rather than the system is not supported by the facts. The 2006-07 championship team took 19.0 3pt per game and was 3rd to last in offensive rebounding with an average of 9.3 per game. That team didn't start a 3pt shooter at center, yet the results were practically the same.
    The most efficient player in the preseason (as PER rankings showed) in the entire ing league is now considered "a work in progress"?

    Well, ... guess they need to put Blair in the starting lineup then... get him some god damn "work".

    Duncan and Blair as starters... sounds pretty good to me.

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    1. We had a bad shooting night.
    2. Our vets are still not in game shape.
    3. Our new players still learning the system.

    A little early for this writer to try and make these bold presumptions.

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    They weren't winded, they just haven't gotten the hang of things yet.

    New team, give it some time.

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    They wanted a "compelling arguement" and they shut the up when I present one.
    Your "argument" wasn't worth responding to. I simply posed a question. If we're taking too many threes, what is the right number?

    You said the number is fine, you just have a problem when they're not falling.

    OK

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    The most efficient player in the preseason (as PER rankings showed) in the entire ing league is now considered "a work in progress"?

    Well, ... guess they need to put Blair in the starting lineup then... get him some god damn "work".

    Duncan and Blair as starters... sounds pretty good to me.
    Is he a finished product?

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    Is he a finished product?
    No, but how do you "finish" a product? Needs to be "worked". IE "invested in", same as George Hill and Hairston

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    No, but how do you "finish" a product? Needs to be "worked". IE "invested in", same as George Hill and Hairston
    I agree. Find where I've said Blair, Hill, or Hairston should not get work.

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    I agree. Find where I've said Blair, Hill, or Hairston should not get work.
    Blair got 13 mins against CHI, Hill 17. Hairston is inactive.

    Do you think this is an adequate investment? I don't.

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    Blair got 13 mins against CHI, Hill 17. Hairston is inactive.

    Do you think this is an adequate investment? I don't.
    Blair's minutes will fluctuate with his performance. Since he's the most exciting new Spur to come along in years, and due to his incredibly high ceiling, I'd like to see more than 13 minutes on most nights. I don't believe, however, that he is en led to a certain number of minutes every night. In the Chicago game, he was really bad in the first half and had his shift curtailed. He's a rookie, it will happen. I expect it to happen less frequently as the season progresses.

    For Hill 17-20 minutes is probably about right. We're really small during the minutes he plays SG, so when those limited minutes are added to his minutes behind Tony, I think that's where it ends up.

    Search my posts on Hairston. You won't find a single negative comment. I'm on record that he should get a chunk of Finley's minutes.

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    Blair's minutes will fluctuate with his performance. Since he's the most exciting new Spur to come along in years, and due to his incredibly high ceiling, I'd like to see more than 13 minutes on most nights. I don't believe, however, that he is en led to a certain number of minutes every night. In the Chicago game, he was really bad in the first half and had his shift curtailed. He's a rookie, it will happen. I expect it to happen less frequently as the season progresses.

    For Hill 17-20 minutes is probably about right. We're really small during the minutes he plays SG, so when those limited minutes are added to his minutes behind Tony, I think that's where it ends up.

    Search my posts on Hairston. You won't find a single negative comment. I'm on record that he should get a chunk of Finley's minutes.
    Michael Finley is en led to his minutes, why shouldn't Blair be? At least the spurs would be investing in the future, not a guy who's going to be getting his AARP card in a few years.

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