Rondo to join 2010 free-agent class

[Lars]

Anyone who says Rondo>Parker is dumb. You might say Rondo plays better defense than Parker or there can be certain parts of his game that are better than Parker's, but overall, it is not even close.

LMAO at saying you win an argument when Spurs fans bring up rings. That is like me saying you know when you have won an argument when another fan has to say "knobslobing" just because they say someone on their team is better, when they clearly are.

Trophies are not the only thing to look at, but when one has a finals MVP when he was playing with Duncan, that is something to at least take note of. It is clear that TP is better than Rondo, and that has nothing to do with being a Spurs fan. It is very clear.

While I agree atm Parker is better than Rondo, I think it is closer than some might believe. Parker is clearly the better offensive player, but virtually a no show on defense. Offensive statistics are easy to quantify, yet defensive impact is far more difficult to measure.

This is abundantly clear when you have a guy like Battier on your team and you constantly have to argue with idiots on clutchfans as to why he is an integral piece despite being a below average offensive player. But I digress....

The question becomes: is Rondo's O + D > Parker's O + D. The answer is almost impossible to answer. But a pure statistician might argue that since both Boston and San Antonio have tons of offensive weapons, the player who brings more to the table in versatility is trully the more the valuable player. A counter arguement can be made however that when a team faces a lot of injuries, such as the Spurs last year, the player who can step in and fill that void in scoring is the more valuable player. So I think it is fair to make a case for both players.

And the ring arguement is just silly. Teams win rings, not players. Anyone who tries to use that criteria when rating the quality of a player does not make a good case, because of all the other variables in winning a championship.

[DPG21920]

Being an MVP is also attributed to teammates as well, but that can be used as a metric. Trophies are not the end all be all, but to ignore the finals MVP is foolish.

Also, saying TP's defense is non-existent shows you do not pay close enough attention. His defense is far from bad. He is not great, but certainly he is a better defensive player than you lead people to believe.

In fact, when TP is focused, I would say his defense is closer to Rondo's defense than Rondo's offense is to Tony's.

[redzero]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...s_locker_room/

Paul Has To Be Restrained From Entering Boston's Locker Room



Hornets point guard Chris Paul had to be held back after Sunday's loss to the Celtics when he tried to enter Boston's locker room.
Paul and Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo both received technical fouls after exchanging words in the second quarter.
Boston won 97-87, while Paul posted 22 points and eight assists.

Does anybody like Rajon Rondo? That boy has delusions of grandeur.

[Goran Dragic]

To ignore averaging triple double in the playoffs is also pretty foolish.

[DPG21920]

To ignore averaging triple double in the playoffs is also pretty foolish.

lol at you talking.

No one is ignoring it. No one says Rondo sucks. He is a very good pg. Not better than Parker.

[mystargtr34]

While I agree atm Parker is better than Rondo, I think it is closer than some might believe. Parker is clearly the better offensive player, but virtually a no show on defense. Offensive statistics are easy to quantify, yet defensive impact is far more difficult to measure.

This is abundantly clear when you have a guy like Battier on your team and you constantly have to argue with idiots on clutchfans as to why he is an integral piece despite being a below average offensive player. But I digress....

The question becomes: is Rondo's O + D > Parker's O + D. The answer is almost impossible to answer. But a pure statistician might argue that since both Boston and San Antonio have tons of offensive weapons, the player who brings more to the table in versatility is trully the more the valuable player. A counter arguement can be made however that when a team faces a lot of injuries, such as the Spurs last year, the player who can step in and fill that void in scoring is the more valuable player. So I think it is fair to make a case for both players.

And the ring arguement is just silly. Teams win rings, not players. Anyone who tries to use that criteria when rating the quality of a player does not make a good case, because of all the other variables in winning a championship.

Of course it counts, but it isnt always the defining factor like people make it out to be. But being the best player in an NBA Finals is massive, you dont just discount that...

Also a pretty big difference between Rondo and Parker is that opposing coaches gameplan for Tony Parker. Anytime you play the Spurs, Objective #1 is limit Parker's penetration and paint scoring...

What about the argument that Rondo = Williams, or compare Rondo to Paul because his defense is so superior?... Paul and Williams are no better defenders than Parker... in fact i would say Parker has much more of a defensive mentality instilled in him than either of those two given his career coach/team philosphy. He has the lateral quickness, good size and mentality to be a decent defender, and he actually is 'decent', so im not sure where all this Tony Parker = Steve Nash on defense has come from? Is it the new way to discount TP. Two years ago it was no jumpshot or hasnt done it in the playoffs... Now that he has a mid range game and is a 25-8 playoff guy...its time for somthing new...

[LnGrrrR]

I think Parker is definitely betterthan Rondo, but he's also been in the league longer. Rondo is showing a lot of promise, and if he works on his mid jumper he could really be a perennial all-star.

[mystargtr34]

I think Parker is definitely betterthan Rondo, but he's also been in the league longer. Rondo is showing a lot of promise, and if he works on his mid jumper he could really be a perennial all-star.

Of course, he has potential to be an All-Star...

But right now, i cant see how anyone can say he is Parker's equal.

[mavs>spurs2]

Rajon Rondo +23.33
Tony Parker +17.33

Sometimes you have to look past the flashy scores and see who has the most impact on games from a total standpoint, including offense, defense, and intangibles. Rondo has a bigger impact on games OVERALL. What he lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball including his tenacity.

[LnGrrrR]

How old was GP when Parker played him? IIRC, it was on the downswing of his career. (could be wrong about that though)

[mystargtr34]

Rajon Rondo +23.33
Tony Parker +17.33

Sometimes you have to look past the flashy scores and see who has the most impact on games from a total standpoint, including offense, defense, and intangibles. Rondo has a bigger impact on games OVERALL. What he lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball including his tenacity.

WTF are these numbers?

[DPG21920]

Rajon Rondo +23.33
Tony Parker +17.33

Sometimes you have to look past the flashy scores and see who has the most impact on games from a total standpoint, including offense, defense, and intangibles. Rondo has a bigger impact on games OVERALL. What he lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball including his tenacity.

So Jermaine Oneal (+29) is better than Lebron (+28) and has more impact?

[mavs>spurs2]

WTF are these numbers?

efficiency so far this season. i know the season is young, but the point is rondo has a major impact on games obviously in ways some of you can't see. it's like it's sailing right over your heads

[mavs>spurs2]

So Jermaine Oneal (+29) is better than Lebron (+28) and has more impact?

no, but jermaine o'neals won't last, he'll come back down to earth. the other guys are right at about where they usually stand

[DPG21920]

no, but jermaine o'neals won't last, he'll come back down to earth. the other guys are right at about where they usually stand

TP was +23.4 last year

[DPG21920]

Not too mention, TP is in MVP talks. He received votes. Rondo, not so much.

[mavs>spurs2]

TP was +23.4 last year

Parker is a damn good player. I'm just doing my best to sway the pendulum in the other direction, because honestly it's a lot closer than most think. I want people to see that. Rondo is a of a player and very underrated. By the way, Parker is my favorite spur FWIW

[DPG21920]

I like Rondo, but to me this is like comparing Pau to Dirk.

[mystargtr34]

I like Rondo, but to me this is like comparing Pau to Dirk.

Lol more like Marcus Camby to Dirk

Pau is a legit star.

[mavs>spurs2]

I like Rondo, but to me this is like comparing Pau to Dirk.

Lol Dirk and Pau are actually not that far apart either. Pau is a damn good player, I'd say Dirk is a 1.5 and Pau is a 2nd option kind of guy. So I guess your analogy works

[Allanon]

I like Rondo, but to me this is like comparing Pau to Dirk.

Are you high DPG?

Rondo's nowhere that close.

[DPG21920]

I don't think Pau is that close to Dirk either, so maybe it came off wrong based on people's opinions of Pau.

Pau and Rondo are both fine players, but in these comparisons in my mind, I think Dirk and TP are clear cuts.

[Finperro]

I don't think Pau is that close to Dirk either, so maybe it came off wrong based on people's opinions of Pau.

Pau and Rondo are both fine players, but in these comparisons in my mind, I think Dirk and TP are clear cuts.

Pau is just poor at leading his team, in terms of which Dirk is way better than him but there's little element to exaggerate differences between the individuals. Dirk's able to score from the arc, which is probably Dirk's only advantage over Pau at offensive end, while Pau is more of a threat at low post than Dirk is. Plus, by any means Pau isn't weaker than Dirk in defense if not better either.

It's heart-breaking to see some Mavs fans are actually Dirk luvas, and such an illness will spread all over our fanbase if no cure or vaccine is invented in time.

[mystargtr34]

Pau is just poor at leading his team, in terms of which Dirk is way better than him but there's little element to exaggerate differences between the individuals. Dirk's able to score from the arc, which is probably Dirk's only advantage over Pau at offensive end, while Pau is more of a threat at low post than Dirk is. Plus, by any means Pau isn't weaker than Dirk in defense if not better either.

It's heart-breaking to see some Mavs fans are actually Dirk luvas, and such an illness will spread all over our fanbase if no cure or vaccine is invented in time.

I would say Pau is definately a better defender than Dirk - because he provides length/shot blocking at the rim.

Dirk is the better overall player though.

[mojorizen7]

Too bad we already drafted him but he's not here.
Too bad we extended the anti-Rondo-type-PG for 3 more years.