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    Closed primaries shut out independent voters (and candidates) and perpetuate the the fecal duopoly of R and D.

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    68% of first time voters voted for Obama.

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    However, it's hard to win against a minority turning out in greater numbers than maybe anytime in the past, and voting along racial lines.

    Racialism is a hard thing to conquer.
    "If only it weren't for those uppity black people and their voting rights we'd of won this thing."

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    "If only it weren't for those uppity black people and their voting rights we'd of won this thing."
    Which party was for slavery, and segregation?

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    Up to Super Tuesday. Got it. This supports WC, but isn't really a response to what I said.

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    WH: You said that closed primaries do not allow for third party people. Since the primaries are for the two parties, a third party should have their own primary.

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    Which party was for slavery, and segregation?
    I asked you not to talk to me. I'm sorry I tried to help you with Ubuntu. You are a ing idiot.

    I have no interest in discussing respective parties' ideological positions from 150 years ago.

    Nor do I want a moron such as yourself even contemplating anything I have to say as you are far too stupid for said endeavor to serve any purpose. I don't put people on ignore, but like I said I want nothing to do with you, ever. Honor that request. off.

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    deal.

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    I asked you not to talk to me. I'm sorry I tried to help you with Ubuntu. You are a ing idiot.

    I have no interest in discussing respective parties' ideological positions from 150 years ago.

    Nor do I want a moron such as yourself even contemplating anything I have to say as you are far too stupid for said endeavor to serve any purpose. I don't put people on ignore, but like I said I want nothing to do with you, ever. Honor that request. off.
    Congrats bali it seems your medications are working, you didn't squirm in ecstacy over some sado violent fantasty today.

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    Please...... do we seriously have to listen to liberals and adolecent leftists hyneas about the best way to "save" the republican party once again. It's like a schoolboy accepting candy from Kevin Jennings.

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    Yes, and this is why I am against open promaries.

    If Libertarians and other parties want a primary, they can. The Libertarians choose their candidate in a convention. There is no reason for an open primary.

    It wouldn't surprise me if a huge number of democrats didn't like Obama or Hillary as a first choice, so selected McCain because he is so liberal.

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    WH: You said that closed primaries do not allow for third party people. Since the primaries are for the two parties, a third party should have their own primary.
    Ditto.

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    Yes, and this is why I am against open promaries.

    If Libertarians and other parties want a primary, they can. The Libertarians choose their candidate in a convention. There is no reason for an open primary.

    It wouldn't surprise me if a huge number of democrats didn't like Obama or Hillary as a first choice, so selected McCain because he is so liberal.
    I don't believe you understand how open primaries work.

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    I don't believe you understand how open primaries work.
    Yes, I do.

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    Anyone believe Doug Hoffman won't win today? I place my bet at 57% of the votes.

    Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

    Voting starts in 2-1/2 hours.

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    So this chick was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, get you everytime.

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    Anyone believe Doug Hoffman won't win today? I place my bet at 57% of the votes.

    Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

    Voting starts in 2-1/2 hours.
    There's governor elections here today. I'm gonna be glad when this election is over and they stop wasting money on ing ads...

    And BTW, that NY race is in such a Republican district, it's really GOP's election to lose. Even after the deep divisions, I still think they'll pull it off.

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    So this chick was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, get you everytime.
    Plus she was for the bailouts. She made it apparent that she was a democrat when she endorsed the dem she was running against.

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    Plus she was for the bailouts. She made it apparent that she was a democrat when she endorsed the dem she was running against.
    I think she might have endorsed Owens out of personal animus toward Hoffman.

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    Maybe they're tired of social conservatives who only pretend to be fiscally conservative.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is EXACTLY my reaction to the folks who have taken over the voice of the republicans. I get angry with folks who claim to be republican but never care about a deficit unless a democrat is recommending it, and who say they believe in keeping government out of people's lives until it comes to telling people what can be taught in science classes and how they can live their own private lives.

    I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. There is absolutely no room for me in the republican party. There is also no room for me in the democratic party because I'm a fiscal conservative. So, I am an Independent voter, one of the many who actually decide most of the elections in this country, because the bases of each party are smaller than the independent bloc.

    The democrats will lose seats in Congress in the next year because the party that wins the presidency almost always loses seats in the off year. It really means very little, but both sides try to make it into something.

    SnC likes to quote that 40% of the population considers themselves 'conservatives'. That is probably true. I consider myself conservative, but it doesn't mean that I will always vote Republican,
    and if the republican party can't do better than they have done in the past eight years, they won't get my vote. And if they keep trashing good, decent people who are not as 'pure' in their social conservatism as the far right wing is, they will lose all the big elections. They don't seem to mind that. Well, I do. I get livid with people who put their own 'purity' above the national good, be they liberal or conservative.

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is EXACTLY my reaction to the folks who have taken over the voice of the republicans. I get angry with folks who claim to be republican but never care about a deficit unless a democrat is recommending it, and who say they believe in keeping government out of people's lives until it comes to telling people what can be taught in science classes and how they can live their own private lives.

    I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. There is absolutely no room for me in the republican party. There is also no room for me in the democratic party because I'm a fiscal conservative. So, I am an Independent voter, one of the many who actually decide most of the elections in this country, because the bases of each party are smaller than the independent bloc.

    The democrats will lose seats in Congress in the next year because the party that wins the presidency almost always loses seats in the off year. It really means very little, but both sides try to make it into something.

    SnC likes to quote that 40% of the population considers themselves 'conservatives'. That is probably true. I consider myself conservative, but it doesn't mean that I will always vote Republican,
    and if the republican party can't do better than they have done in the past eight years, they won't get my vote. And if they keep trashing good, decent people who are not as 'pure' in their social conservatism as the far right wing is, they will lose all the big elections. They don't seem to mind that. Well, I do. I get livid with people who put their own 'purity' above the national good, be they liberal or conservative.
    This is a canard...and one I don't think any true libertarian ever makes. The idea that consevatives have a "social" agenda and that the left doesn't is ridiculous. The left has a very aggressive and far reaching social agenda.From how much if any meat you may consume, to what you smoke,what kind of car you drive, what may or may not be deemed free speech or hate speech, to what social engineering your child must be subjected without your consent,to using the bogeyman of some global catastrophe to regulate all levels of your life, to whether or not your underage child gets an abortion without your consent,to whether your underage child's sexual abuser is shielded from you under the guise of "love". From the state definition of when life should begin to the idea of when life should end.If one looks at the so called "progressive" political movements of the last century..the U.S.S.R, China,Cuba,..ect. There is a trumpet call of bringing humanity into some progressive direction, a killing of the old world and a new dawn of human progress.But the truth of these "progressive" movments has been a tyranny,and barbarisim, that harkens back to the dark ages,where oppresion is called progressive,and where ALL aspects of life are state controled.

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    You really need to separate your screeds into paragraphs micca. And use, y'know, spaces between your punctuation and words.

    Nobody wants to read some huge, poorly-written, unfiltered block of hate-filled text.

    I know its hard, I know a solid moderate just punked the living out of your whole insanely-zealous movement, but try to calm down and breathe. I ing hate you and will say as much openly, but I'd be ashamed if I just started screeching and jabbering at people like you do.
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    I don't even know why I'm going to respond to your ing meltdown (that has nothing to do with the topic at hand), but you're such a ing re that I can't help it.

    From how much if any meat you may consume
    I bought some turkey a couple days ago. You're telling me I should be worried about an ATF like raid on my house. off. I could buy and anybody can buy, as much meat as they want. I don't even know what to say to this BS other than WTF is wrong with you?

    to what you smoke
    Yup. All those hippie leftists and their irrational hatred for marijuana. Again, WTF are you talking about?

    what kind of car you drive
    I could go buy a truck, I could buy an SUV. I could go buy a Prius. I could get a sportscar. A coupe. A van. A sedan. A hatchback. I could drive big rig that gets 2 mpg. I could buy a motorcycle. I could buy a go-cart. Anybody could.

    You're ing delusional.

    to what social engineering your child must be subjected without your consent
    You can't do anything to children without their parents consent. But go ahead and cry about "social engineering". I'll just call you a bat insane, asshole.

    to using the bogeyman of some global catastrophe to regulate all levels of your life
    I'd love it if your life were regulated out of existsence, but as it is, I have a hard time believeing that all aspects of your life are being controlled. Or in any danger of such. If that were true, how would you be posting on this ing message board?


    And on and on and on and on and on. I'm not even going to try to keep up with your illogical and paranoid rant. The part about sexual sex offenders was particularly crazy though.

    You really need to get your brain in check. I know you like to call me crazy because I tell you you're a worthless human. I think you're crazy, because ostensibly, you're actually mentally unstable. If I were you, I'd get some sort of treatment, ASAP.

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    You really need to separate your screeds into paragraphs micca. And use, y'know, spaces between your punctuation and words.

    Nobody wants to read some huge, poorly-written, unfiltered block of hate-filled text.

    I know its hard, I know a solid moderate just punked the living out of your whole insanely-zealous movement, but try to calm down and breathe. I ing hate you and will say as much openly, but I'd be ashamed if I just started screeching and jabbering at people like you do.
    Have you tried upping your meds?
    Bali here is indicative of the inherent insanity and violence of the progressive movement. He daily expresses his "hate" for somebody, but blames the world outside himself for the "hate" he feels and, doesn't once ponder whether or not this hate he feels is emenating from him.
    He gleefully waxes over fantasies of shooting and beating people, and offers this vison up as a solution to some social utopia.Meanwhile he finds grammatical deriliction a crime against the human spirit.In a word crazy as a bedbug.

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    wow, micca, you just got schooled.

    he laid your rant out for autopsy.

    don't you feel silly, laying there?

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