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AlterNet
Civil War Today: Obama Highly Popular Everywhere Outside of Old South
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet
Posted on November 2, 2009, Printed on November 2, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/www...et.org/143666/
I've spent far too much time in the South and been acquainted with far too many Southerners -- a number of liberal-minded folks among them -- to get into the stereo-typical South-bashing popular in some liberal quarters.
Yet, I must say, when I see results like these it does cause me to pause and wonder again why the North fought so hard to stay married to these people (I know -- we were an emerging power-couple and clung to the relationship for the money and influence):
the South and the rest of the country is nothing short of striking. According to the numbers in this poll question on Obama, it's greater than the divide that exists between whites and blacks or young voters and senior citizens.Code:BARACK OBAMA FAV UNFAV NO OPINION ALL 56 36 8 N/E 84 5 11 SOUTH 28 67 5 MIDWEST 62 30 8 WEST 60 31 9 Rest USA 68 23 9 The gap between opinions in
Anyway, this comes via Oliver Willis, who adds:
President Obama is overwhelmingly popular in every region of the country except for the south. I am surely this is all entirely due to his economic policies and his radical social agenda and not any other thing at all, certainly not the color of his skin no way sir.
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Repugs' electoral strength, weak as it is as the Repugs commit suicide, aligns precisely with racist/Bible-thumping states, hmmm...
Uh...yeah, whatever.
hey what year is your map from CC, i clearly remember VA going blue this last election, coulda sworn OH too...
He also won Colorado, Nevada and Indiana...
Oh yeah, in addition to Virginia he won North Carolina as well...which obviously proves the author of this article hasn't got a ing clue what Old South means, because you don't get any older south than VA or North Carolina.
That said, I worked the election in Austin and I saw how Obama was getting a great deal of his votes(I wasn't trying too but some people comment and make it obvious when they are voting)...I won't say they were illegal votes because technically they were not, because these people did have the legal right to cast the vote for the voter, but I will say that in places they were literally dragging vegetables out on stretchers to cast votes for Obama and casting votes for Obama on the part of people that were incapable of any coherent thought. Nursing homes were the worst and the people that run them(all of them)need to ashamed...if they put half as much effort into keeping old people from wallowing in their own piss as they did getting them registered and putting their votes in for Obama, growing old would be a much brighter prospect than it actually is.
Like I said...it was legal, but it was also bull .
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Personally I don't like his middle name and still don't and frankly I'm a little embarrassed we elected him over the war hero and especially the mom for that simple reason...absolutely wreaks of fear, capitulation and appeasement.
Don't behead us...please.
Yeah I was leaning towards him before Palin was put on the ticket but...I wasn't enthusiastic about it.
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So was DeLay's gerrymandering. Politics is politics.
you worked it, huh?
Exactly right, politics is politics, and in regards to the Presidency, any and all forms of discrimination are fair game, because no one has a cons utional right to be the President...which is why people need to shut the about racism.
Any and all forms of discrimination are ok...I don't give a what it is.
These peoples right to vote for the candidate of their choice for whatever reason they choose, supercedes any claim any candidate has to be the President.
I would easily be willing to bet Obama got more votes because of his skin color than McCain did.
In conclusion, it is not racism, or discrimination, in the anti-american sense to vote against Obama because of his skin color, or his religion, or his hair color, or because you don't like his wife...or his associations.
The people saying it is are the anti-americans.
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Whether or not you're right, you have to know people won't "shut the up" about racism.
The weak helping the weak by implementing an even weaker system is good news for the strong.
Obama 2012!
The only legitimate claim anyone could have to racism or discrimination in terms of the Presidency is if a candidate were kept off the ballot because of his skin color. That would be the bad one...but anything else, everyone has a right to vote for the candidate they like best, and if they don't like a guy because he is black..so be it. It is their right as American citizens to vote their preference.
You can question the ingelligence of using that as their primary voting criteria all you want, but just know I will immediately question your intelligence for thinking the vast majority of voters don't use a similar one, and that includes me. I will pretty much vote for the guy(or girl) I like best. I was leaning towards Obama because I tended to like him better than McCain(especially after McCain made some stupid comments about Iraq) but once Palin was added I liked her much much more than Mr. Obama...not even close.
Does not exist when voting for the President. Absolutely does not exist, and I'm 100% right on that and anyone arguing otherwise is 100% wrong.
In red states, esp in the Old South, there is no doubt that racism is at the root of anti-Magic Negro vitriol. The town halls astro-turfers carried many signs that were blatantly or implicitly racist.
McLiar a "war hero" for causing himself to be shot down, along with all the other plane crashed his incompetence caused?
My point is that whether you like it or not, whether it's right or wrong, the discussion of racism will continue. Have a coke and a smile.
did you and bali make those charts in his basement.They look real good, like the kind grown ups use.
I am well aware of the point you are making and as long as people keep playing the race card on the Presidency and I am going to voice my opinion on why it isn't racism....Just because people are stupid is no reason for me to remain silent.
There were guys here on this forum saying they were going to vote for Obama because of his race...I had no problem with that legally and I don't have any problem with someone voting against him because of it and I don't consider it racism or discrimination of any kind...it's people exercising their cons utional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.
You can keep steering this as if my comments were about an overall discussion about racism in general, but clearly this article is about the Presidency and so are my comments.
Quite frankly, everyone can stick the race card up their ass on this one. And I consider the continual playing of the race card a negative and even more reason to vote against Obama in future elections.
Eventually the race card is it's going to lose it's effectiveness, in every aspect, because of the way idiots use it...word to the wise.
Yes...all those guys in the old South that voted against Obama because of his race would otherwise have voted Democrat in this past election.
Are you really that stupid boutons?
It's not near as simple as you guys think it is...for instance, you guys frequently link nazis and kaln types hand in hand...and it could not be further from the truth.
The neo-Nazis and most white sumpremacists hate the Jews much more than they hate blacks, it's not even ing close.....the neo-Nazis are not the guys that want us over in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact they might be more anti-war than you liberals are...they also want no ing part of Israel and are a lot more sympathetic to the Palestinians.
If you think those guys vote for Bush and McCain you are truly stupid.
Go read their forums and educate yourself for a change...
It's pretty much this jews this, the jews that...jews jews jews. About 10-1 jew to black blame reference...
I mean you do realize, those Nazis weren't waging war on the Muslims in WWII don't you? Holding hands would be a better term.
yawn...you're a party boutons, will you at least admit that?McLiar a "war hero" for causing himself to be shot down, along with all the other plane crashed his incompetence caused?
You are likely just as stupid and every bit as prone to blanket generalizations as any of those deep southern racists...you'd probably vote for Stalin, or Hitler, as long as they were running against a Republican.
Not to much to you...at all really.
4cc, it doesn't matter why he was elected, it matters how the wrong people will take it...and of course they will take it that way, because they achieve what they want by creating fear and believe fear is the best way to achieve their goals. If they didn't think fear worked, they wouldn't videotape beheadings. They aren't going to say, crap they elected some guy named Hussein, failure is us...and I doubt they are going to be impressed by our openmindedness. Best recruiting tool ever. Certain death in Iraq was not...contary to what many claimed.
I've read you make credible, intelligent arguments in other threads, whott, but you don't live up to that standard in this one. Given my brief posts, I'm willing to take the blame for your having misunderstood my points; but your reply to 4cc is completely illogical -- assumptions mortared with paranoia. There may be a point in there, but you haven't made it yet.
Eh...they definitely produce more human beings in certain mideastern and southasian countries than they have resources for, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia of course. The two most dangerous countries in the world, by far in terms of potential nuclear terrorism. And it's those excess human beings we've been killing in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 8 years. And you'd be amazed what some of those guys were being taught and have been for decades now. They didn't just decide to go and strap bombs to themselves. And as those two wars continued you notice they had more and more problems getting such willing suicide bombers, those wars weren't the recruitment tool many claimed they were, I personally believe the numbers of people we saw had been decades in the making. However those fanatics know how to spin anything into a victory...including a total loss, and anything perceived as stepping towards compromise will be taken as a sign of weakness to be capitalized upon.
Pakistan is the A#1 most dangerous country in the world because they possess nuclear weapons, have an extreeeeeeemly corrupt government and have(had) Islamic schools that teach their many opium addict street urchins that nuclear armageddon with the United States of America is Allah's will, a divine thing, and their path to salvation. What they were born to do so to speak. I don't know how familiar you are whole movement thing over there, but those trained dogs over there in South Asia and the Mid-East have a habit of turning on their handlers and getting a lot bigger and meaner than anyone thought, and they don't tend to go out of style because there's not much else for them to do.
With the instability of the Pakistanian government, it's a legitimate threat and there is reason for concern. Because if a group of those foot soldiers ever get control of that country, there will be no negotiating with them, because they actually want Armageddon.
I hope those schools are no longer around...but I don't know that they aren't, and I know there will soon be more "surplus people" in a just a few decades, if not sooner.
You know it wasn't just about Oil or whatever...those two countries we went into border not only Iran, but Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and there is absolutely no way we could have attacked any of them. I'm not saying we should have, but those 9/11 ers were primarily of Saudi and Pakistanian descent. Iran is not really a threat. They aren't particularly expansionist, and they aren't as ed up(although they are ed up) as Saudi and Pakistan are. Saudi and Pakistan had huge numbers of radicals and it was easy for them to go to Iraq and Afghanistan and die there at the hands of the US Military. I believe Irag and Afghanistan trimmed a lot fo the plant away but the roots still remain...lightening up and the same ty governments remaining in power is probably not a good thing longterm.
We'll see...in the meantime you guys can just tell yourselves it's all over if it makes you feel better...and I'll just remain paranoid.
It's not going to be over while so many countries just plain ole suck to live in....and btw, letting Aghanistan and Iraq just go hole with an automatic pullout would have made it much much worse much much more quickly.
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