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    I'm not fear mongering. It was precautionary as it should have been.

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    Bats are the source of most of the recent human cases in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention


    definately conflicts with this.
    97% of human rabies cases come from dog bites.[2]

    So if one doesn't know for sure the best thing to do is precaution. How is that fear mongering?

    Would you rather Manu didn't take the shots and then contract the disease?

    Likelyhood...probably not....but precaution would insure it didn't happen.

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    I'm not fear mongering. It was precautionary as it should have been.
    Then why are you demanding credentials? Are you some admirer of bats? Know all about them and study them daily with grant money? If not, credentials don't mean jack.

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    definately conflicts with this.
    97% of human rabies cases come from dog bites.[2]
    Yeah, it does. It blows your fear-mongering attempt out of the water. I have yet to see a source for your information, either, Mr. In need of Credentials.

    Let me just get this straight: so we know that there's only a very small chance (est. 3%) that the bat could physically be able to give Manu rabies. The bat passed the flying test and was active at night, greatly minimizing the chance he did have rabies. So we've got someone overreacting over an impossible chance Manu has rabies.
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    Also...I would like to know your credentials for your explanation. Mine are from experience and from dealing with various biologists throughout my life while growing up on a wildlife refuge.
    Credentials for my explanation of what? I'm an ecologist, and as such studied some biology. Also, I can research.

    From the CDC rabies webpage:

    People usually know when they have been bitten by a bat. However, because bats have small teeth which may leave marks that are not easily seen, there are situations in which you should seek medical advice even in the absence of an obvious bite wound. For example, if you awaken and find a bat in your room, see a bat in the room of an unattended child, or see a bat near a mentally impaired or intoxicated person, seek medical advice and have the bat tested.

    http://www.cdc.gov/RABIES/bats.html
    So, they are being super cautious, as the CDC should be, but it's really about sleeping children and prevention/legal liability. If you read the page you'll find there was a case of a sleeping child who appeared uninjured but later died of rabies.

    Also:

    Can I get rabies in any way other than an animal bite?

    Non-bite exposures to rabies are very rare. Scratches, abrasions, open wounds, or mucous membranes contaminated with saliva or other potentially infectious material (such as brain tissue) from a rabid animal cons ute non-bite exposures. Occasionally reports of non-bite exposure are such that postexposure prophylaxis is given.

    Inhalation of aerosolized rabies virus is also a potential non-bite route of exposure, but other than laboratory workers, most people are unlikely to encounter an aerosol of rabies virus.

    Other contact, such as petting a rabid animal or contact with the blood, urine or feces (e.g., guano) of a rabid animal, does not cons ute an exposure and is not an indication for prophylaxis.

    But from the CDC paper cited below:

    Nonbite exposures. Nonbite exposures from animals very rarely cause rabies. However, occasional reports of nonbite transmission suggest that such exposures require assessment to determine if sufficient reasons exist to consider postexposure prophylaxis (104). The nonbite exposures of highest risk appear to be among surgical recipients of corneas, solid organs, and vascular tissue transplanted from patients who died of rabies and persons exposed to large amounts of aerosolized rabies virus. Two cases of rabies have been attributed to probable aerosol exposures in laboratories, and two cases of rabies have been attributed to possible airborne exposures in caves containing millions of free-tailed bats (Tadarida brasiliensis) in the Southwest. However, alternative infection routes can not be discounted (105--109). Similar airborne incidents have not occurred in approximately 25 years, probably because of elevated awareness of such risks resulting in increased use of appropriate preventive measures.

    The contamination of open wounds or abrasions (including scratches) or mucous membranes with saliva or other potentially infectious material (e.g., neural tissue) from a rabid animal also cons utes a nonbite exposure. Rabies virus is inactivated by desiccation, ultraviolet irradiation, and other factors and does not persist in the environment. In general, if the suspect material is dry, the virus can be considered noninfectious. Nonbite exposures other than organ or tissue transplants have almost never been proven to cause rabies, and postexposure prophylaxis is not indicated unless the nonbite exposure met the definition of saliva or other potentially infectious material being introduced into fresh, open cuts in skin or onto mucous membranes.
    So, you can get it from aerosolized infected guano, but cases are extremely rare.

    97% of human rabies cases come from dog bites.[2]

    The bat was active at night and flying around just fine, as we all saw. Stop fear-mongering.
    From the same article:

    Bernhard Dietzschold is a professor at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia who specializes in nervous system viruses like rabies. He says that since 97 percent of all human rabies cases are caused by dog bites, preventing rabies in dogs is the key to eradicating the disease worldwide.
    If you want to know more about rabies, read this:

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5703a1.htm

    (Human Rabies Prevention, United States, 2008: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices)

    It states:

    "As a result of improved canine vaccination programs and stray animal control, a marked decrease in domestic animal rabies cases in the United States occurred after World War II. This decline led to a substantial decrease in indigenously acquired rabies among humans (5). In 1946, a total of 8,384 indigenous rabies cases were reported among dogs and 33 cases in humans. In 2006, a total of 79 cases of rabies were reported in domestic dogs, none of which was attributed to enzootic dog-to-dog transmission, and three cases were reported in humans (6). The infectious sources of the 79 cases in dogs were wildlife reservoirs or dogs that were translocated from localities where canine rabies virus variants still circulate. None of the 2006 human rabies cases was acquired from indigenous domestic animals (6). Thus, the likelihood of human exposure to a rabid domestic animal in the United States has decreased substantially. However, one of the three human rabies cases diagnosed in 2006 was associated with a dog bite that occurred in the Philippines, where canine rabies is enzootic. The risk for reintroduction from abroad remains (7). International travelers to areas where canine rabies remains enzootic are at risk for exposure to rabies from domestic and feral dogs."

    Oh, and next time, you might want to question someone who doesn't actually do their research when they make a claim of fact.
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    oh goody the internet professors are whipping it out and measuring.

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    Kidding guys, don't take the whole thing so seriously...

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    Then why are you demanding credentials? Are you some admirer of bats? Know all about them and study them daily with grant money? If not, credentials don't mean jack.



    Yeah, it does. It blows your fear-mongering attempt out of the water. I have yet to see a source for your information, either, Mr. In need of Credentials.

    Let me just get this straight: so we know that there's only a very small chance (est. 3%) that the bat could physically be able to give Manu rabies. The bat passed the flying test and was active at night, greatly minimizing the chance he did have rabies. So we've got someone overreacting over an impossible chance Manu has rabies.
    You think I was fear mongering...you would be wrong.

    Also your "credentialed" post comes from "Wikepedia" the one I found came from a CDC quote. Which would more than likely believe?

    But I was not pointing out where the majority of rabies are contracted from but more so to the acusation that one would know if they got bit by an animal (bat). I showed that one could get bit and not know plus through personal experience know it to be fact. Where was I wrong?

    And please...if it's not too much trouble...would you rather Manu didn't take precautionary measures?

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    You think I was fear mongering...you would be wrong.

    Also your "credentialed" post comes from "Wikepedia" the one I found came from a CDC quote. Which would more than likely believe?

    But I was not pointing out where the majority of rabies are contracted from but more so to the acusation that one would know if they got bit by an animal (bat). I showed that one could get bit and not know plus through personal experience know it to be fact. Where was I wrong?

    And please...if it's not too much trouble...would you rather Manu didn't take precautionary measures?
    No, his Wikipedia quote comes from this article:

    http://www.voanews.com/english/archi...2253c244b5b155

    He should have gone to the primary source.

    Of course Manu should take precautions, but it's still a storm in a teacup and EXTREMELY unlikely that that bat had rabies, and even less likely Manu contracted it by not noticing that it bit him, especially given that it was STUNNED AT THE TIME.

    If you really want to know more about rabies, try reading that CDC paper I linked you to.

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    Oh, and next time, you might want to question someone who doesn't actually do their research when they make a claim of fact.
    You may not want to claim people don't know if they know if they are bit or not when proof shows to be the opposite in situations such as bat bites.

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    There's a reason I left the "[2]" on there. It's not an assertion, but backed by a source. Besides, I thought it was common knowledge that dogs spread rabies the most.

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    There's a reason I left the "[2]" on there. It's not an assertion, but backed by a source. Besides, I thought it was common knowledge that dogs spread rabies the most.
    I understand. But realize that the largest concentration of Free Tail bats resides in the San Antonio area.

    I was taking into account a "wild" species and not domesticated such as dogs.

    this from: http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/epidemiology.html


    Wild Animals

    Wild animals accounted for 92% of reported cases of rabies in 2006. Raccoons continued to be the most frequently reported rabid wildlife species (37.7% of all animal cases during 2006), followed by bats (24.4%), skunks (21.5%), foxes (6.2%), and other wild animals, including rodents and lagomorphs (0.6%). Reported cases increased among all wild animals during 2006.

    Outbreaks of rabies infections in terrestrial mammals like raccoons, skunks, foxes, and coyotes are found in broad geographic regions across the United States. Geographic boundaries of currently recognized reservoirs for rabies in terrestrial mammals are shown on the map below.

    Domestic Animals

    Domestic species accounted for 8% of all rabid animals reported in the United States in 2006. The number of reported rabid domestic animals increased among all species during 2006 except cattle which decreased by 11.8% compared to 2005.

    In 2006, cases of rabies in cats increased 18.2% compared with the number reported in 2005. The number of rabies cases reported in cats is routinely 3-4 times as that of rabies reported in cattle or dogs. Pennsylvania reported the largest number of rabid domestic animals (72) for any state, followed by Virginia (62). In 2006 approximately 1% of cats and 0.3% of dogs tested for rabies were found positive.



    Again, I wasn't disputing the facts established by any source. But I was annoyed that you thought my claim to not knowing if one might know if they were bit or not to be false. I think I proved otherwise.

    In the act of swatting the bat...Ginobili could have garnished a bite as well as when he picked up the bat and not even known to have been bit. The first reaction of any wild animal when defending itself is to bite.

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    Next game, when attacking the basket, Manu should say to whoever is guarding him: "Get out of my way or I'll bite you".

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    Next game, when attacking the basket, Manu should say to whoever is guarding him: "Get out of my way or I'll bite you".
    That's what I was thinking. How many guys are really going to want to guard Manu closely the next few games .

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    New game plan: give the ball to Manu on every single possession. He will drive the lane, and score an uncontested layup, each time.

    Why?

    Because Pop will say he has rabies, and opponents will be afraid to touch him.

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    you guys do realize the Spurs team has a higher chance of dying in a plane crash than Manu dying of rabies right? the bat didnt' even bite him for christ sake!!!!

    welcome to the USA Manu. In argentina you just put that on the grill and spread some chimichurri on it

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    looks like the bat won this battle...

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    spurs have another excuse if they get eliminated in the 1st round again

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    I figured Manu would need to get shots. Sounds painful.

    Are there side effects to the rabies vaccination that may or may not affect his game?

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    Can someone photoshop Manu's face onto this:


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    Why are people freaking out over some precautionary shots?

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    Why are people freaking out over some precautionary shots?
    I know right?

    breaking news: Manu put on his seatbelt. you know, because he has a .05% chance of dying in a car crash

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    yeah just maybe now he can realize how stupid he was

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    yeah just maybe now i can realize how stupid i am
    fify

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    manu in his facebook said he was not that great thing to do
    HIS WORDS NOT MINE
    SO STFU

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    you are stupid you can not even quote me correctly
    damm what a airhead

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    manu in his facebook said he was not that great thing to do
    HIS WORDS NOT MINE
    SO STFU


    Manu hit Bat made news. No new tony pics or videos i want my mommy

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