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    same reason anyone would take the Hippocratic Oath, to help others.

    don't get me wrong, i think doctors provide a great service and should be duly compensated. However, i just don't think that insurance companies should even be eating at the same trough.
    I'm sorry, but if aultarisim
    was a significant force on which to base a society, then utopia would have already come about. I don't recall any law against doctors giving away their services, they don't seem to be so inclined.

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    don't get me wrong, i think doctors provide a great service and should be duly compensated.
    I'm sorry, but if [altruism]
    was a significant force on which to base a society, then utopia would have already come about.
    Somebody once said this of Ayn Rand, but it applies well here: you're the Evil Knievel of jumping to conclusions, micca.

    It's like you don't even read what people say.

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    Not to mention he skipped addressing entirely why insurance companies have a god given right to profits...

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    Somebody once said this of Ayn Rand, but it applies well here: you're the Evil Knievel of jumping to conclusions, micca.

    It's like you don't even read what people say.
    That's not a point that's an aside...... your the king of duplicity.......well and the queen of elocution and good breeding of course

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    Not to mention he skipped addressing entirely why insurance companies have a god given right to profits...
    Not in the least, but I don't think we have to choose between licentious corporations or a licentious and incompetent goverment health care.I have a feeling the corporations can not exist without a huge powerfull goverment and vice versa.

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    That's not a point that's an aside...... your the king of duplicity.......well and the queen of elocution and good breeding of course
    Whenever micca doesn't have a good comeback, he insults your masculinity.

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    is being insulted by micca even possible?

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    Whenever micca doesn't have a good comeback, he insults your masculinity.
    and when you don't , you go nancing about like some demented headmistress checking spelling, and grammar, etiquette, and all the other minutea that makes for a young gentelman.

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    What funny images you have in your head.

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    is being insulted by micca even possible?
    Oh my gosh...I'm being set upon by Mrs. havisham, and her gang of teenage .....well boys...I suppose.

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    you do realize i wasn't talking to you, right micca?

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    And it's ing Miss Havisham. The whole ing point of the book was that she never got married, you nitwit.

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    Oh my gosh...I'm being set upon by Mrs. havisham, and her gang of teenage .....well boys...I suppose.
    You would be Estella, then?

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    I'm sorry, but if aultarisim
    was a significant force on which to base a society, then utopia would have already come about. I don't recall any law against doctors giving away their services, they don't seem to be so inclined.
    i hated my old prof tara smith, gave a great paper a c.
    now she gets some sort of a fellow to ing study the ethical contributions of that failed screenwriter rand, so don't get me started on all of this.

    no, there isn't a law, in fact think of "doctors w/o borders" or any health charity, and tell me that a insurance company, not a doctor started it.

    besides, like i said, doctors, nurses, even chiropractors should be able to have no glass ceiling on their pay, what concerns me is this whole industry that we created that lets whoever can foot a bill live for how long they can keep footing that bill, and doesn't give a remote chance to anyone who can't pay.

    we're not talking about luxury cars here, we're talking about human ing life, are you people that callous?

    and if you think your doctor even knows what he is charging you for his services you don't get sick much.

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    i hated my old prof tara smith, gave a great paper a c.
    now she gets some sort of a fellow to ing study the ethical contributions of that failed screenwriter rand, so don't get me started on all of this.

    no, there isn't a law, in fact think of "doctors w/o borders" or any health charity, and tell me that a insurance company, not a doctor started it.

    besides, like i said, doctors, nurses, even chiropractors should be able to have no glass ceiling on their pay, what concerns me is this whole industry that we created that lets whoever can foot a bill live for how long they can keep footing that bill, and doesn't give a remote chance to anyone who can't pay.

    we're not talking about luxury cars here, we're talking about human ing life, are you people that callous?

    and if you think your doctor even knows what he is charging you for his services you don't get sick much.
    ER's have to take everyone. There are programs now for people living under or near the poverty line. Then there is SCHIP. What more?
    I would think that making a govt. en y care for people is pretty callous.

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    Not in the least, but I don't think we have to choose between licentious corporations or a licentious and incompetent goverment health care.I have a feeling the corporations can not exist without a huge powerfull goverment and vice versa.
    You're still dodging the question (or simply didn't read the post and went on with your rant).
    I can understand warranting an succulent salary to doctors, nurses and the like. However, how do you justify the for-profit middleman?
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    ER's have to take everyone. There are programs now for people living under or near the poverty line. Then there is SCHIP. What more?
    I would think that making a govt. en y care for people is pretty callous.
    ER's don't offer preventative care, not to mention the fact that preventative care for everyone would pretty much cut ER wait/thereby cost greatly.

    then you're still leaving out, who is going to foot that ER bill for those who are going to walk out and not pay.

    schip is for kids. most working poor people make too much to qualify for aid, but too less to be able to afford their employers health insurance plan.

    so saving lives is callous. who would you want as surgeon general khalid sheik mohammed? my god man what is wrong with you?

    even if you don't give a about people, can't you at least see the economical effect of having a sick, ty working class? no wonder we no longer have a real manufacturing base in this country anymore.

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    ER's have to take everyone. There are programs now for people living under or near the poverty line. Then there is SCHIP. What more?
    I would think that making a govt. en y care for people is pretty callous.
    Isn't these all the 'social programs' people like you want to eradicate under the premise that they're government welfare?

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    Republicans Have Drafted a Health Bill, and It Sucks

    FALLING SHORT OF LOW EXPECTATIONS....


    http://www.alternet.org/module/print...695/?type=blog

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    Repugs help/protect the health care industry/corps, not the US citizens. yawn

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    Isn't these all the 'social programs' people like you want to eradicate under the premise that they're government welfare?
    How is it not govt. welfare? I brought them up, not to endorse, to show how there are already socialized medicare for people the libs are saying this would be for.

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    How is it not govt. welfare? I brought them up, not to endorse, to show how there are already socialized medicare for people the libs are saying this would be for.
    So you are indeed callous and don't give a about other people's life?

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    You're still dodging the question (or simply didn't read the post and went on with your rant).
    I can understand warranting an succulent salary to doctors, nurses and the like. However, how do you justify the for-profit middleman?
    How do you justify the for-profit University Professors? It should be none of your business what other people are making. The individual should make the decision what he think his skill is worth.

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    You're still dodging the question (or simply didn't read the post and went on with your rant).
    I can understand warranting an succulent salary to doctors, nurses and the like. However, how do you justify the for-profit middleman?
    And just what would a massive goverment beuracracy be, other than a giant ineffecient corrupt middleman?

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    How do you justify the for-profit University Professors? It should be none of your business what other people are making. The individual should make the decision what he think his skill is worth.
    And as customers, we should be able to go with whoever we want or can afford. But if 40% of the US population couldn't afford to pay for education, should we just raise generations of ignorants?

    Do you balance the well-being of an individual over the well-being of a nation?
    Do you even care?

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