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You would say "Which one?"
what if commentator said "good dunk by the blackman"
You would say "Which one?"
Since when is black a country? Besides that wouldn't really narrow it down.
Some blacks consider being called a Negro as a degoratory term. It can upset some. Me, I would just correct you and say, Black. I wouldn't get upset unless you used it again after I've told you not to call me that.
I didn't know the history of the term Chinaman but now that I do, I will never call a chinese man a Chinaman.
So, go ahead and explain it. So far, I've only read some confusing things about the Vietnam War and the phallacy that "ah, it's derogatory because it was conventioned it's derogatory".
PC extremists weirdos can't even agree with each other. For some, a term is wrong if someone feels offended by it; for others, it's based on its usage and not on whether people are offended by it, whatever this means. The corollary is that the words you can use are decided by a few, through completely arbitrary criteriums and using insults and social pressure to limit others people freedom and force others to behave accordingly to their own set of values. Here's a newflash for you: your set of values and acceptable behaviours is not universal and no better than others. Live with it or pull an Amish.
Last edited by mogrovejo; 11-03-2009 at 06:47 PM.
Green- Why do they need to? Individual perception. It's not about the message, but how it's received. If someone asks you to stop using a term because they find it offensive or because their perception of the way you used it wasn't kosher, what do you do? It's really no different than telling siblings to stop hitting each other. That it did or didn't really hurt is irrelevant. It's simply not a socially acceptable behavior, just as using a term that you know to be derogatory to someone isn't socially acceptable. Once you become aware, it shouldn't really be an issue.
Red- But you'd continue to use impose your set of values on me by calling me a "Black-man" even if you knew I found it offensive? Interesting logic to say the least.
i dont see how this is a problem. they alwasy refered to diaw, batum and tony as the frenchmen.
It is only a problem because people want to be offended by it.
"Oh my ancestor was reduced to below human status because he was called a "China man". He did come from China and he was a man but that is besides the point...it's just disrespectful."
This is the same baloney I hear from black people and how they are oppressed into slavery by the White man. What a load of . You're not going to sing the national anthem because of slavery? You hate the White man because he enslaved your people?
It's 2009. Black men are no longer slaves. China men are no longer oppressed railroad workers...at least not in the USA.
The notion of a "chinaman" as a derogatory term far predates the Vietnam War as an insult to depict the Chinese as sub-human.
This excerpt about Judge Roy Bean, a Justice of the Peace for Precinct 6 in Pecos County, Texas, around the late 19th century made a ruling to demonstrate just that when a Chinese person was killed by a co-worker.
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/roybean.html
The history of the term is not imagined, nor is it is a recent phenomenon based on a Jerry Seinfeld episode. Had there been no derogatory history behind the term, no one would have made a fuss about the Seinfeld episode.One of Bean's most outrageous rulings occurred when an Irishman was accused of killing a Chinese worker. Friends of the accused threatened to destroy the Jersey Lilly if he was found guilty. Court in session, Bean browsed through his law book, turning page after page, searching for another legal precedent. Finally, rapping his pistol on the bar, he proclaimed, "Gentlemen, I find the law very explicit on murdering your fellow man, but there's nothing here about killing a Chinaman. Case dismissed."
this is kind of funny. if there is a condescending history behind a name, it shouldn't be used. i can imagine the outrage if the same commentator called kobe bryant a "negro." after all, isn't "negro" just spanish for black? and isn't kobe black? so it's a legitimate term right? obviously not because negro was used as a condescending term to separate whites from blacks.
just because chinese people are a smaller minority than blacks, it doesn't mean their history of being oppressed in america is any less important. chinaman isn't even the equivalent of frenchman. it's a made up word to use against the chinese. the equivalent of it would be "franceman," which makes no sense. the commentator should just use the phrase "chinese man" next time.
So your basic opinion is that you're free to be as big a ing asshole and say whatever bull you want? That's fine. That is your right.
But that doesn't mean you're not a complete ing asshole, who's just spewing a bunch of bull . And nobody wants to listen to it. Especially TV audiences.
ing moron.
There is nothing wrong with Negro. It's often used and may or may not be politically correct. People are bending themselves backwards on ways to not offend black people. Same with Whites or Blacks. Neither one is really "politically" correct but enough is enough.
If somebody were to describe Tony as a France man, would that be offensive? Or that Luol Deng was an England man, would that be offensive?just because chinese people are a smaller minority than blacks, it doesn't mean their history of being oppressed in america is any less important. chinaman isn't even the equivalent of frenchman. it's a made up word to use against the chinese. the equivalent of it would be "franceman," which makes no sense. the commentator should just use the phrase "chinese man" next time.
It's the historical significance that causes overly sensitive people to be butt-hurt.
People living in the past cannot move forward.
win.
BTW, he doesn't need to beat that 7'6 to grip the "chinaman" honor since the is already done in fragments, that even a morbid dork like yi can easily beat or to make it more vivid, curbstomp.
because there is no historic significance that puts it in a negative light...sheesh
I really can't believe how outright racist this forum is. Being so utterly obtuse is a racist act. Holy , I had no idea that some of you seemingly normal people were a step away from a Klan membership.
The Klan believes they are superior due to race. Racists believe they are superior due to their race.
None of that has been implied or expressed here.
My problem is with people who try to be offended in non-offensive situations. The historical significance of "China man" dates back 200 years; but people still can't move past that.
Referring back to events of 200 years ago to justify taking offense is self-induced racism.
Last edited by Allanon; 11-03-2009 at 08:18 PM.
you may have nothing wrong with the word negro but i can guarantee you if that commentator used it, there will be a lot more outrage coming from the black community as compared to a few sentences coming from a blog.
we don't live in a world where everyone was treated equally. can't just erase or ignore the past.If somebody were to describe Tony as a France man, would that be offensive? Or that Luol Deng was an England man, would that be offensive?
It's the historical significance that causes overly sensitive people to be butt-hurt.
People living in the past cannot move forward.
It's a matter of preference. Some people are some people aren't. Just search the web for "Negro community" and there's plenty of very acceptable use of it.
This isn't a matter of equality/life or death/job employment/voting or anything like that.we don't live in a world where everyone was treated equally. can't just erase or ignore the past.
This was a television broadcast of an NBA game.
Some Chinese dude sitting in his living room watching a basketball game felt offended that a man from China was described as a China man.
Wait until he hears that Yao is "The Great Wall" or "Ming Dynasty" because he comes from China.
People are overly sensitive these days living in their comfortable homes with big couches and LCD tvs.
OK, so let's get our racial lexicon in order...
Chinaman=Negro=Jew<Gook=######= . So, most everyone agrees it was a minor offense, and most of us agree that even though a person would be sensitive in order to be offended by Chinaman, they still have that right. Really we are not arguing anything other than one's own devotion to being politically correct, freedom of speech and just one's general relative sensitivity (high and low). This thread has the potential to go on for ing ever!
Damn, now that's ing offensive.
Actually, Chinese would be fine.
Chinaman -
Frenchman -
What's it gonna be Allanon?
Well on another note. Yi went down with a knee injury and is out indefinately.
It's different when it's in the first person or 3rd person.
Chinaman -
Frenchman -
What's it gonna be Allanon?
You don't walk up to a black man and say "Hi Black man".
But when you describe somebody it's different. Tony Parker is a a French man. Yi is a China man. He's a black man.
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