Nov 3, 2009 Elections to Watch

[MannyIsGod]

What civil rights should married couples give up? WHat the are you talking about?
I brought up Jim Crow because it was a bad piece of law that was created by a judge. Not the elected reps b to the rian.
What judicial action gave black people the right to vote? Is it this: [Amendment XV to the U.S. Cons ution -
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."]



If science is inconclusive, how can it lean towards one side or the other? WHat proof have scientists found that might make a consideration of gay people being born with it?

What state? Which state right? It's not discrimination. It is also no way similar to racism or sexism.

Do you know what the Bill of Rights is? Hint: the 15th Amendment isn't part of it.

Do you know what Jim Crow laws were? Hint: They weren't created by judges.

[Crookshanks]

Obama Watched HBO Special About Himself Instead of Election Results
By Kyle Drennen (Bio | Archive)
November 4, 2009 - 11:20 ET

During the 10AM ET hour of America’s Newsroom on Fox News Channel, fill-in co-host Martha Maccallum told viewers what President Obama watched on election night while Democrats suffered big losses in New Jersey and Virginia: “Robert Gibbs said, well, he was actually watching, you know, the HBO special about his year-long campaign and how it all went.”

On Tuesday night the White House had worked to downplay the Democratic gubernatorial defeats by claiming the President did not watch the election returns. Apparently Gibbs thought it would look better if the commander in chief was watching a self-indulgent fawning do entary about himself. Interestingly, Obama apparently previewed the HBO special a few days earlier, as Gibbs himself explained to the blog Talking Points Memo: “White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says Obama has already seen ‘By the People’...Gibbs told TPMDC Obama’s review: ‘Thumbs up!’”

On FNC, Maccallum noted: “...we know that Mic e and the girls went to the Miley Cyrus concert last night... So he’s all alone in that big house, right? Nothing to do but sit back and watch – reminisce about the long campaign and watch HBO and the special.” The HBO do entary, ‘By the People,’ debuted on Tuesday, in commemoration of

[spursncowboys]

Do you know what the Bill of Rights is? Hint: the 15th Amendment isn't part of it.

Do you know what Jim Crow laws were? Hint: They weren't created by judges.

What judicial action gave black people the right to vote? Is it this: [Amendment XV to the U.S. Cons ution -
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Yes. For you: http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/creating2.htm
Good luck trolling.

[spursncowboys]

Obama Watched HBO Special About Himself Instead of Election Results
By Kyle Drennen (Bio | Archive)
November 4, 2009 - 11:20 ET

During the 10AM ET hour of America’s Newsroom on Fox News Channel, fill-in co-host Martha Maccallum told viewers what President Obama watched on election night while Democrats suffered big losses in New Jersey and Virginia: “Robert Gibbs said, well, he was actually watching, you know, the HBO special about his year-long campaign and how it all went.”

On Tuesday night the White House had worked to downplay the Democratic gubernatorial defeats by claiming the President did not watch the election returns. Apparently Gibbs thought it would look better if the commander in chief was watching a self-indulgent fawning do entary about himself. Interestingly, Obama apparently previewed the HBO special a few days earlier, as Gibbs himself explained to the blog Talking Points Memo: “White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says Obama has already seen ‘By the People’...Gibbs told TPMDC Obama’s review: ‘Thumbs up!’”

On FNC, Maccallum noted: “...we know that Mic e and the girls went to the Miley Cyrus concert last night... So he’s all alone in that big house, right? Nothing to do but sit back and watch – reminisce about the long campaign and watch HBO and the special.” The HBO do entary, ‘By the People,’ debuted on Tuesday, in commemoration of

The cheerleaders are turning this nonsense into an issue.

[ElNono]

Obama Watched HBO Special About Himself Instead of Election Results
By Kyle Drennen (Bio | Archive)
November 4, 2009 - 11:20 ET

During the 10AM ET hour of America’s Newsroom on Fox News Channel, fill-in co-host Martha Maccallum told viewers what President Obama watched on election night while Democrats suffered big losses in New Jersey and Virginia: “Robert Gibbs said, well, he was actually watching, you know, the HBO special about his year-long campaign and how it all went.”

On Tuesday night the White House had worked to downplay the Democratic gubernatorial defeats by claiming the President did not watch the election returns. Apparently Gibbs thought it would look better if the commander in chief was watching a self-indulgent fawning do entary about himself. Interestingly, Obama apparently previewed the HBO special a few days earlier, as Gibbs himself explained to the blog Talking Points Memo: “White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says Obama has already seen ‘By the People’...Gibbs told TPMDC Obama’s review: ‘Thumbs up!’”

On FNC, Maccallum noted: “...we know that Mic e and the girls went to the Miley Cyrus concert last night... So he’s all alone in that big house, right? Nothing to do but sit back and watch – reminisce about the long campaign and watch HBO and the special.” The HBO do entary, ‘By the People,’ debuted on Tuesday, in commemoration of

Do you have an actual quote from Gibbs from last night?

This is what I found: LINK

Not that I really care what Obama watches on TV...

EDIT: Here's Gibbs transcript from last night... link

No mention of HBO in all of it... not surprisingly....

[MannyIsGod]

The 15th Amendment is not in the Bill of Rights. How difficult of a concept is this?

Jim Crow laws were not enacted by any judges. How difficult of a concept is this?

[spursncowboys]

List of rights denied to same sex married couples in places where marriage is limited by gender: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

Summary of the current state of the research on sexual orientation and biology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology...al_orientation

I was thinking of Brown v. Board of Education, which obviously did not give Black people the right to vote, but the right to participate fully in society. This change would never have come about without court intervention. In many parts of the country it still hasn't really come about. The comparison to the oppression of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people is so striking it's ridiculous, unless you're deliberately trying to not see it.

I looked at wikipedia and didn't find any facts siding with gay people being born that way. I don't believe wiki should be cited, except using their cite for a starting point. Just my opinion. About the rights denied to same-sex married couples. I respectfully disagree. However I believe in our states being able to make the decision, better than an unelected judge. My opinion. That was my original comment. You brought up civil rights for gays. Since there is no proof to show that someone is born with a different gene that makes them gay, this is an opinion.

[MannyIsGod]

I looked at wikipedia and didn't find any facts siding with gay people being born that way. I don't believe wiki should be cited, except using their cite for a starting point. Just my opinion. About the rights denied to same-sex married couples. I respectfully disagree. However I believe in our states being able to make the decision, better than an unelected judge. My opinion. That was my original comment. You brought up civil rights for gays. Since there is no proof to show that someone is born with a different gene that makes them gay, this is an opinion.

[101A]

I was being sarcastic... taking a page out of The Simpsons whenever something morally debatable was about to happen...

Carry on

Damn.

I'm getting old.

[spursncowboys]

The 15th Amendment is not in the Bill of Rights. How difficult of a concept is this?

Jim Crow laws were not enacted by any judges. How difficult of a concept is this?

Please reread what my comment says. Then look at my link.

[jack sommerset]

Obama the liar took a hit last night. Not that it should have surprised anyone. The dude lied his ass off. Now he is paying for it. Next year even more.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Obama the liar took a hit last night. Not that it should have surprised anyone. The dude lied his ass off. Now he is paying for it. Next year even more.

yeah he only picked two more seats in the house..OUCH!

[baseline bum]

I wonder if any church was behind this crap, like the Mormons were with the California vote? That entire church should have lost its tax-exempt status for becoming a political ins ution when they dumped all that money into the California vote.

[Supergirl]

I wonder if any church was behind this crap, like the Mormons were with the California vote? That entire church should have lost its tax-exempt status for becoming a political ins ution when they dumped all that money into the California vote.

The Catholic church pumped a ton of money into the Maine anti-gay measure.

[Wild Cobra]

Please reread what my comment says. Then look at my link.

You have to remember that Manny is so stupid, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. A real diety. Not much point in arguing with him. I often ignore the ass like I do Chuppy-chimp.

[spursncowboys]

The Catholic church pumped a ton of money into the Maine anti-gay measure.

Good. Spending money in politics is a protected freedom of speech. That is a right. Not getting married. Or healthcare.

[Supergirl]

What part of this don't people understand: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GRANTS 1,138 RIGHTS TO PEOPLE SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ARE MARRIED. If you want to abolish this practice, fine, lobby for that. But it is blatantly and unarguably uncons utional to grant rights to SOME citizens and not others.

[baseline bum]

Good. Spending money in politics is a protected freedom of speech. That is a right. Not getting married. Or healthcare.

It is good. They shouldn't be tax-exempt as a political ins ution.

[spursncowboys]

It is good. They shouldn't be tax-exempt as a political ins ution.

You are saying that the catholic church is a political ins ution?

[Winehole23]

You are saying that the catholic church is a political ins ution?

Are you familiar with European history?

[Winehole23]

The Vatican is still a principality, or something like that, I think.

[admiralsnackbar]

I wonder if any church was behind this crap, like the Mormons were with the California vote? That entire church should have lost its tax-exempt status for becoming a political ins ution when they dumped all that money into the California vote.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...-in-maine.html

In a fundraising plea to his mailing list this past week, Marc Multy, the President of the anti-gay marriage Group Stand for Marriage Maine, described his opponents as having "amassed a war chest from the sexual political elite from nearly every corner of the country to impose their will on Mainers like us."

Indeed, the pro-gay marriage group No on 1 Protect Maine Equality has raised more than $2.30 million in itemized contributions from outside the state of Maine; this is more than the $1.82 million that Stand for Marriage Maine has raised from out-of-state.

However, most of No on 1's advantage is based on its substantial edge in fundraising from within the state of Maine. No on 1 has raised $1.89 million from 3,766 unique contributors within the state, whereas Stand for Marriage Maine has raised just $677,000 from 422 contributors, putting it at nearly a 3:1 disadvantage. All told, No on 1 has raised 43 percent of its funds from within Maine, as compared with 26 percent for the Yes on 1 campaign.



Additional detail on fundraising by the two groups, as gathered from the State of Maine's Campaign Finance Website, is below.



You will probably notice the large disparity in the average size of the contribution that each group has received: $3,862 for the anti-gay marriage group, versus $419 for No on 1. This is because Stand for Marriage Maine is exceptionally dependent on just two large donors: the New Jersey-based National Organization for Marriage, from which it has received $1,622,152, and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland (ME), from which it has received $529,666. Collectively, these two group's represent 83 percent of Yes on 1's fundraising. In addition, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland accounts for 81 percent of its in-state fundraising; without its contributions, Stand for Marriage Maine would have received just $127,218 in contributions from Mainers.

Protect Maine Equality, to be sure, has also benefited from some
heavyweight donors, earning $526,000 from Maine-based businessman Donald Sussman, and $267,589 from the Human Rights Campaign. And indeed, if you cull its donor list, you'll find a few big-name Hollywood celebrities: it's gotten $2,000, for instance, from Rob Reiner, $5,000 from David Geffen, and $10,000 from former U.S. Ambassador to Luxembourg James Hormel.

Overall, however, its top 10 donors represent just 36 percent of its total fundraising haul, as compared to 91 percent for Yes on 1. Most of its contributions, rather, come from small donors, who account for its 9-to-1 advantage in the number of unique, itemized contributors within Maine, and its 28-to-1 advantage in its number of unique donors from outside the state.

Although it is always risky to generalize from a single example -- particularly given that the Yes on 1 campaign has been fairly inept -- it would seem that the grassroots energy on this issue has reversed, with the pro-gay marriage side feeling more emboldened than the traditional marriage groups. This is true both outside the state of Maine and within it.


...see also 2009 elections, fundraising, gay rights, maine

[Wild Cobra]

What part of this don't people understand: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GRANTS 1,138 RIGHTS TO PEOPLE SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ARE MARRIED. If you want to abolish this practice, fine, lobby for that. But it is blatantly and unarguably uncons utional to grant rights to SOME citizens and not others.

I am all for just that.

The only reason why government got int marriage was so they could discriminate. I say abolish all recognitioons of marriage, make people enter into contractual agreements if they want.

A government recognized marriage doesn't mean except for finanial perks.