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    The NJ and VA results should scare the out of the Dems. I guess the good news for them is that there's 12 months for the the current voter sentiment to change.

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    he ran as a republican.
    Not in this election he didn't...maybe in the initial election.

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    The NJ and VA results should scare the out of the Dems. I guess the good news for them is that there's 12 months for the the current voter sentiment to change.
    The NJ and VA results shouldn't scare anyone. The economy is down, the governors were the people in power when the people expected something to be done. It's no surprise that 2 in bent governors lost. It also has very little bearing on anything nationally.

    Many states that are general liberal and left-leaning have had Republican governors - like Massachusetts, for example, which elected Mitt Romney.

    the right wing nutbags should be scared - because big picture, they're LOSING. The vast majority of people under the age of 25 don't care whether gay people can marry and assume abortion has always been legal and are OK with it. There is a fringe in this country that has Fox News to whip people into a frenzy, but that is desperate moves from a desperate people - they are gonna have to accept that their radical views are the minority or get out, eventually.

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    -20 point swings between the last election and this one in two blue states, one dark blue and the other light, has to be disturbing. Especially considering that the White House was actively engaged in NJ and the president campaigned for Corzine.

    The NY congressional race had a bit too much drama going on to reveal much of a trend. I guess if the Dems can count on that occurring in a large number of GOP leaning districts that might be an indicator of things to come. NY has an active Conservative party, which is not the case elsewhere. Not to mention that it's highly doubtful that anywhere else outside of the Northeast would you find a Republican congressional nominee withdrawing from a race and endorsing the Democrat.

    But what seems more likely is the GOP uniting behind candidates focused on economic matters and the excessive federal spending, while de-emphasizing or ignoring social issues next fall.

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    The NJ and VA results shouldn't scare anyone. The economy is down, the governors were the people in power when the people expected something to be done. It's no surprise that 2 in bent governors lost. It also has very little bearing on anything nationally.

    Many states that are general liberal and left-leaning have had Republican governors - like Massachusetts, for example, which elected Mitt Romney.

    the right wing nutbags should be scared - because big picture, they're LOSING. The vast majority of people under the age of 25 don't care whether gay people can marry and assume abortion has always been legal and are OK with it. There is a fringe in this country that has Fox News to whip people into a frenzy, but that is desperate moves from a desperate people - they are gonna have to accept that their radical views are the minority or get out, eventually.
    ROFL. You are in some serious denial.

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    VA _always_ elects the governor from the party opposite the WH.

    Corzine is a corrupt wall st bankster, not a popular group

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    -20 point swings between the last election and this one in two blue states, one dark blue and the other light, has to be disturbing. Especially considering that the White House was actively engaged in NJ and the president campaigned for Corzine.

    The NY congressional race had a bit too much drama going on to reveal much of a trend. I guess if the Dems can count on that occurring in a large number of GOP leaning districts that might be an indicator of things to come. NY has an active Conservative party, which is not the case elsewhere. Not to mention that it's highly doubtful that anywhere else outside of the Northeast would you find a Republican congressional nominee withdrawing from a race and endorsing the Democrat.

    But what seems more likely is the GOP uniting behind candidates focused on economic matters and the excessive federal spending, while de-emphasizing or ignoring social issues next fall.
    The GOP isn't uniting in the least. Palin is in the process of blowing up the Republican party. You're delusional if you think anything otherwise.

    VIrginia is a swing state at best. It voted for Obama in the last election, and THAT was the huge turnabout and upstaging. Virginia hadn't voted Dem in a long, long time before Obama won.

    As I said, NY having a Republican gov means very little. Both candidates were pretty terrible, ran terrible campaigns which focused on calling each other "fat" and "bald" and the fact that those were the best 2 options NJ had to choose from says more about NJ than it does anything else.

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    the right wing nutbags should be scared - because big picture, they're LOSING. The vast majority of people under the age of 25 don't care whether gay people can marry and assume abortion has always been legal and are OK with it.
    The vast majority of people under 25 years old don't vote.

    Long term, you might have a point. (On abortion though, the recent trend does not appear to favor the pro-choice viewpoint.)

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    As for political parties in "disarray" and hijacked by their extremist wing, that seems to fit the other side of the aisle quite well.

    Anyways, last year when independents broke for Obama it was the sign of the country heading into the land of perpetual sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops. Now that independents are breaking for the GOP in Democrat-leaning or Democrat-controlled states, it's the sign of some kind of nutbag rebellion. Yeah, right.

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    The GOP isn't uniting in the least. Palin is in the process of blowing up the Republican party. You're delusional if you think anything otherwise.
    LOL. Yeah, sure. Did she kill it in NJ and VA? They have the internets there too.

    VIrginia is a swing state at best. It voted for Obama in the last election, and THAT was the huge turnabout and upstaging. Virginia hadn't voted Dem in a long, long time before Obama won.

    As I said, NY having a Republican gov means very little. Both candidates were pretty terrible, ran terrible campaigns which focused on calling each other "fat" and "bald" and the fact that those were the best 2 options NJ had to choose from says more about NJ than it does anything else.
    Sure, big statewide contests don't matter, it's the oddball congressional special election which does.

    Keep on hoping and changing.

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    The vast majority of people under 25 years old don't vote.

    Long term, you might have a point. (On abortion though, the recent trend does not appear to favor the pro-choice viewpoint.)
    Further, does the GOP figure out that a winner in this environment is fiscal conservatism and ignoring social issues? Once it does, they'll be back in the majority and riding the wave of that long term trend.

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    The GOP isn't uniting in the least. Palin is in the process of blowing up the Republican party. You're delusional if you think anything otherwise.
    Maybe. Palin may not run in 2012. The meme that she is central to the fortunes of the GOP is overblown IMO.

    VIrginia is a swing state at best. It voted for Obama in the last election, and THAT was the huge turnabout and upstaging. Virginia hadn't voted Dem in a long, long time before Obama won.
    On the contrary, Virginia is deep, deep red. It might be a very long time before before VA votes another Democratic president.

    Independents and moderates repelled by McCain/Palin last year will return to the GOP, by and large, unless some kind of Perot figure should suddenly emerge. IMO Sarah Palin is not such a figure.

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    Maybe. Palin may not run in 2012. The meme that she is central to the fortunes of the GOP is overblown IMO.
    True. I don't find myself following her every move, unlike left-wing nutbags who can't seem to get enough. I guess I should start hanging on Nancy Pelosi's every word.

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    You think it might have turned out differently had she not been on the ballot?
    Yes, I do.

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    Maybe Pelosi has a Down's baby in her closet that we can mock and obsess about, just like all the cool and socially advanced 25 year olds living at home with moms did last year.

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    I disagree, but for conversation sake, who do you think McCain could/should have picked that would have swung things in his favor?

    This election was all about Bush and Obama being able to paint McCain as another Bush. (the irony of Obama himself being another Bush not withstanding) Who McCain had as VP didn't matter. IMO at least.......

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    I disagree, but for conversation sake, who do you think McCain could/should have picked that would have swung things in his favor?

    This election was all about Bush and Obama being able to paint McCain as another Bush. (the irony of Obama himself being another Bush not withstanding) Who McCain had as VP didn't matter. IMO at least.......
    Maybe I shouldn't speak for WC - but I was referring to Dede Scozzafava when I said the election may have turned out differently if SHE wasn't on the ballot. This wasn't about Sarah Palin.

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    Maybe I shouldn't speak for WC - but I was referring to Dede Scozzafava when I said the election may have turned out differently if SHE wasn't on the ballot. This wasn't about Sarah Palin.
    I got confused. My bad.

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    It's not like Pawlenty or Romney would have changed the outcome of the election. Ridge wouldn't have helped either.

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    I disagree, but for conversation sake, who do you think McCain could/should have picked that would have swung things in his favor?

    This election was all about Bush and Obama being able to paint McCain as another Bush. (the irony of Obama himself being another Bush not withstanding) Who McCain had as VP didn't matter. IMO at least.......
    McCain was worse than Bush. I honestly believe he would have had a hard time making a better choice. Maybe a good conservative like Huckabee or Romney, but really... Do you know a single conservative that liked McCain? He to damn ing liberal!

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    Nor Huckabee. Nor the astonishingly weak Fred Thompson.

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    McCain was worse than Bush. I honestly believe he would have had a hard time making a better choice. Maybe a good conservative like Huckabee or Romney, but really... Do you know a single conservative that liked McCain? He to damn ing liberal!
    It didn't matter who the republicans put up. Once Obama got past Hillary it was over. He was going to beat anyone with an "R" after their name.

    I think McCain could have beaten Hillary.......

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    McCain was worse than Bush. I honestly believe he would have had a hard time making a better choice. Maybe a good conservative like Huckabee or Romney, but really... Do you know a single conservative that liked McCain? He to damn ing liberal!
    What's so conservative about those two clowns?

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    What's so conservative about those two clowns?
    They are better conservatives than most prominent republicans.

    I don't expect somone to be 100% conservative on all conservative issues. That would be rediculous, don't you think?

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    Oh, you mean "conservative" as in the state's glory we shall find our own happiness and liberty.

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