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Unfortunately, being a nice guy seriously lowers your odds. (at the start)
I will write more about it later; no time now.
Up until a year ago, I always had some doubt about the common belief that being a huge asshole is the best way to get a girl. I then had a small experience/realization that debunked that myth completely (at least for me). 6 months or so ago on facebook, I made my status "nice guys finish last," just cause I was bored and wanted to strike a nerve in someone.
This girl who I had been friends with for years showed mild interest in me after I lost 50 pounds (shortly before this time), but it was pretty clear she loved having a guy friend she liked to talk to.
Two minutes after I make this status, her response is, "That's so not true. You're one of the nicest guys I know and I love talking to you."
It probably wasn't right to respond the way I did, but I really didn't care about losing my "nice guy" status with her, so I responded with:
"Right, and last I checked, that's about it as far as your view of me goes, a nice friend who you are so comfortable talking to, so comfortable you would never want to let anything else get in the way of that great talking bond we share. The next time I want a girl to think of me as the guy she can talk to, I'll put on my nice guy face. Regardless, thanks for providing my status with a great supporting example of a nice guy finishing last. I guess that's what friends are for."
Since then, my most successful woman picker upper is setting up a beer pong game with my partner being my friend who has a girlfriend versus a girl I'm interested in and her friend. The next step is winning and then being a y asshole about it.
What are everyone elses thoughts/personal stories that affected their belief on this issue? Do you think "nice guys finish last" is indeed true?
Unfortunately, being a nice guy seriously lowers your odds. (at the start)
I will write more about it later; no time now.
People that assert themselves finish first. This is how to not assert yourself.
You can, in fact, be nice while also being aggressive. Problem is people think they have to be timid nice guys or assertive ass-jerks. From my experiences, people that are just asses mostly end up with submissive street trash. Trash is common and is attracted to other garbage.
The problem is you're playing like Nash: just having fun instead of going for a win.
I wasn't trying to win her over with that comment. If I thought I still had a good chance with her, I would have responded completely different. The only purpose of that comment was to take the typical girl response, "That's so not true, timid nice guys are the coolest!!!" and take a dump on it since the girl's relationship with me is a perfect example of someone being nice and timid and getting nowhere.
no it lowers ur odds...
they usually go out with the alpha s and get d like the hos they are and dump like a tramp untill they see the relationship is going nowhere they come running back to the honest nice guy who has a stable career etc everything going for him...gold digger you see it.
and most nice guys think they are gettin a bargain going out with a hot chick whose probably has many men in her life b4 him.... that i aint touching used goods for a long term relationship.
sons don't be nice to them. its simply not worth it. unless you want to settle for some enchilada eating blimp named Bertha. if that's the case, then of course you will find plenty of "women" like that who want a nice guy. if you want a 7 or above, treat em like and only be nice to them whenever it benefits you as well. this is a proven system. follow it.
Thanks for the advice and god bless. Congrats on the Hornets.
anytime son. god bless
yea, treat them like complete . and then they will turn around and the next that comes along.
In my experience, being the nice guy resulted in the girl ing the next that came along and treated her like , and then being the guy she called to whine about how mean he is. Just sayin'.
son if you know how to lay the pipe then you won't have this problem. sad, shallow world we live in these days. god bless
son that is the unfortunate truth. you have to remember, most good looking broads are attention seeking s before anything else. they LOVE to whine and cry (aka brag) to their female and guy friends (the nice guys) about their "asshole boyfriend". anyone in their right mind will tell the broad that she needs to dump her jerk BF and she knows that, but won't do it because she loves the attention and pity she gets from the relationship. not to mention, her asshole BF is more than likely waxing that ass the way she likes it. sick sick world we live in I know, but its true.
how bout just being yourself and not putting up a front? it always works for me!
son come on now. why don't you just tell him to say his prayers and take his vitamins too!?? ... give him legit advice.
Yeah, but it's just human nature. People want what they can't have. If cookies were something a parent made their kid eat at dinner every night and said, "You can't have your broccoli until you eat your cookies," and has the broccoli in a jar that the kid can't reach, the kids gonna want the broccoli and not care about the cookies. If a guy makes himself extremely to available to a girl, he'll be the fall back plan that'll always be there in case her more lofty goals don't work out. The only way to be the lofty goal is be an asshole and make sure the girl thinks that you view her as that you'd never consider.
Nice guys always finish last, in pretty much everything.
thats just what works for me. oh and i dont approach women, they come to me. also if you think a woman is full of , call her on it. in the end she will respect you more for having a pair and not taking her crap.
It's true in a sense that nice guys finish last. But at the same time, it isn't simply a matter of being an asshole either. It's about being a confident alpha male. The mistake most guys make when they see a hot chick is immediately wanting to kiss their ass. That's the worst possible move. Everyone wants something more if they can't have it. Hot girls are used to being spoiled, having their ass kissed and getting whatever they want. When you don't react this way to them it makes you more desirable in their eyes. Never act like you need them. Never look like you are trying too hard. Seem more indifferent. When you talk to them be funny and a little bit y. Talk a little bit of to them. Not in a REAL mean way but something to make them laugh. There is a lot more to it but I'm lazy and I don't feel like typing that much.
Treating a woman like is a great way to pick one up who will be extremely loyal to you. The flip-side is, do you want a girlfriend who acts like your dog?
good points. borderline y/assholish, with a dash of humor. Always make them think they need you, and not the reverse.
son very good post. you obviously understand the game well. also I must ask ... is that beast in your signature picture one that you tamed?
hot girl out with ugly guy = either his successful career with alot of money
hot girl out with fat guy = either his filthy rich
It is true that assholes tend to get the attention a whole lot faster than the nice guys at first. Unfortunately for them, this is the only way they know how to get a womans attention. The nice guy has to learn how to get the attention of the opposite sex as well. That is the main advantage of the 'asshole', along with perceived confidence.
It has been my experience that the nice guy persona is a really good way to gather intel on what really goes on the head of the opposite sex. You get to know a lot of different personalities and tendencies. The key is to memorize these things and soon you will become an ultimate player. You will be able to look at a girls clothes, fingernail polish, makeup, hairstyle, voice tone, and most importantly... body language, to tell what she is like before even approaching her. I have been able to squirm out extremely intimate details from women (even what makes them squeal in bed) and will already have knowledge of what to do to please the woman I choose.
Sure you won't find the perfect 10 babe right away, but I will say that you will figure out where to look for her. Then... game on.
PS: Another thing, don't give in to whatever the woman wants all the time. It will get really boring for her. It secretly gets her loins burning when you take control (most don't like to admit it) and refuse every now and then.
son it all depends on each person I guess. obviously a woman can perform more tricks than a dog so it has its perks.
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