Maine shoots down same-sex marriage law

[Homeland Security]

Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Saddam, (insert Commie dictator)

Did or did not Lenin successfully overthrow the Czar?

Did or not did not Stalin win World War II?

Did or did not Castro successfully overthrow Cuba and keep the U.S. at bay for 40 years?

Did or did not Saddam run a regime hardly any worse and certainly more modern than what Iraq has today (notwithstanding his failure to fall in line with U.S. interests)?

Hey, if you'd rather lose than go to extreme measures, then go ahead and learn to enjoy your socialism and your eventual bankruptcy.

[Winehole23]

You like to state your opinions as facts without any citing.

Hi-skool Security's too busy getting ready for the pogrom. For types like him, force is its own justification.

[hope4dopes]

Evangelical Christians in this country are too wedded to the established order and to the vestiges of their turn-the-other-cheek moral code. They might and moan about being oppressed and villify people, but when push comes to shove, they will neither push nor shove.

And so they will fail.

If you want to take control of a society, you must do it by force. You can do it slowly, as the liberals have, by infiltrating ins utions and gradually taking them over, or you can do it more quickly through violence.

The liberals already have the slow method 90% accomplished, and Christians won't resort to violence, so either we will have a left-wing order, or some other right-wing group not so shackled by scruples will need to assert itself.

Nah you can just stand up to the ins utions and take them back gradually, or you can do what happened in Russia, after the communists destroyed the pillars of the society and culture, the Church or God, the family or marriage and family,and the russian soul through repression of "counter revolutionary" books, thought,and art and exprsssion,
After they did all that and made a right bloody mess of Russia, once the STATE fell, these ins utions flowered again.They flowered because on some level they feed the people.

[Homeland Security]

You like to state your opinions as facts without any citing.

Oh, did I miss something? Did this forum turn into a scholarly journal or something? Are all your posts fastidiously footnoted?

[hope4dopes]

No, it wasn't the bootheel of the state coming down on a guys neck. It was one court making a bad ruling and the state coming down on the court. Just like how when that judge in Louisiana decided he didn't want to marry an interracial couple it was simply one judge being a dumbass and did not mean that United States of America was trying to outlaw interracial marriage.

Yeah you wanna believe that .....how many gay activists do you think went down and demanded the good pastors release?
bull , it was a political shot fired over the bow.

[hope4dopes]

Hi-skool Security's too busy getting ready for the pogrom. For types like him, force is its own justification.

Well he's gotta a point history is more often determined on battlefields than, in banquet halls.

[Homeland Security]

Hi-skool Security's too busy getting ready for the pogrom. For types like him, force is its own justification.

It was a revelation for me when I realized that the Homeland Security troll I created as a lampoon of a bloodsucking right-winger at some level reflected what I really believe deep down, and that the thoughtful Christian "smart conservative" was just who my erstwhile value system taught me I was supposed to strive to be.

But it is not who I am.

Eventually the dichotomy broke down. Extra Stout is dead.

[Homeland Security]

Anyway there's little point in discussing these things on an internet forum. Doing is better than talking. Ta ta.

[Winehole23]

Nice.

[Winehole23]

Well he's gotta a point history is more often determined on battlefields than, in banquet halls.

[Winehole23]

Extra Stout is dead. Long live Extra Stout!

[Winehole23]

...still distinctively bitter.

[hope4dopes]

No, it wasn't the bootheel of the state coming down on a guys neck. It was one court making a bad ruling and the state coming down on the court. Just like how when that judge in Louisiana decided he didn't want to marry an interracial couple it was simply one judge being a dumbass and did not mean that United States of America was trying to outlaw interracial marriage.

As the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, debated the legislation, the nation's chancellor of justice released a public note stating that a church sermon characterizing sexual behaviors as sinful "might" be considered a criminal offense. That "might" must now be replaced with "will," proved by Pastor Green's conviction and jail term.


The very fact the PARLIAMENT was debating wether or not churches teaching sexuality was a sin could be seen as a hate crime, suggest that there are lots and lots of people that as baseline bum denies. Do in fact want to" force your ing church to accept it."

[Winehole23]

Do in fact want to" force your ing church to accept it."

In Sweden. Generalize from the particular much?

[hope4dopes]

In Sweden. Generalize from the particular much?

The american left has always looked to Europe to try and adopt some threadbare cloak of cosmopolitain intelligensia, and so we have european social democracy begin hoisted upon us by the left despite the fact europe is quickly trying to abandon it, and voting more and more conservative politicans into power.

[baseline bum]

Ake Green, pastor of a Pentecostal congregation in Kalmar, Sweden, was sentenced to one month in prison on a charge of inciting hatred against sexuals. Pastor Green was prosecuted for his sermon in a January hearing, where he was found guilty of "hate speech against sexuals" for a sermon preached in 2003.

According to press reports, Pastor Green condemned sexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society." His comments were delivered as part of a sermon, drawn from biblical texts, dealing with the sin of sexuality. In Sweden, biblical preaching is now a crime.

The prosecution of a Christian pastor for the crime of preaching a biblical sermon sets a new low for the culture of political correctness. Evangelical Christians--and all those who cherish civil liberties--should observe this case with great interest and concern. Those who reject biblical truth are now set on silencing Christian pulpits--all in the name of tolerance, acceptance, and diversity.

The logic of this prosecution is driven by the ardent determination of sexual activists to make all criticism of sexuality illegal. The logic of many hate crimes statutes plays right into this ideological strategy. By silencing all opposition, advocates for the normalization of sexuality have the public square entirely to themselves, with defenders of biblical sexuality and the traditional family left without a voice and risking prosecution for any language or argument deemed offensive by the guardians of political correctness.

In response to the protest by the Slovakian Interior Minister, Cecilia Julin, the Swedish ambassador to Slovakia, explained: "Swedish law states that public addresses cannot be used to instigate hatred towards a certain group." So much for free speech and religious liberty.

Sweden passed its hate speech statute in 2002, explicitly including "church sermons" as subject to the law's restrictions. As the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, debated the legislation, the nation's chancellor of justice released a public note stating that a church sermon characterizing sexual behaviors as sinful "might" be considered a criminal offense. That "might" must now be replaced with "will," proved by Pastor Green's conviction and jail term.

So because Sweden doesn't protect ignorant speech like we are bound to do by our cons ution, America would be forcing churches to accept gay marriage? What exactly is your point here?

[coyotes_geek]

Yeah you wanna believe that .....how many gay activists do you think went down and demanded the good pastors release?
bull , it was a political shot fired over the bow.

The Green case is almost 5 years old now. How many Pastors has Sweden locked up since then? Any laws directing the church to start marrying gays? I eagerly await your next example do enting a pattern of this state sanctioned persecution.

[coyotes_geek]

As the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, debated the legislation, the nation's chancellor of justice released a public note stating that a church sermon characterizing sexual behaviors as sinful "might" be considered a criminal offense. That "might" must now be replaced with "will," proved by Pastor Green's conviction and jail term.


The very fact the PARLIAMENT was debating wether or not churches teaching sexuality was a sin could be seen as a hate crime, suggest that there are lots and lots of people that as baseline bum denies. Do in fact want to" force your ing church to accept it."

So how are those people any different from people like yourself who believe that government has a duty to force people to " ing accept" that they can't get married because you believe that God doesn't like it?

[hope4dopes]

So how are those people any different from people like yourself who believe that government has a duty to force people to " ing accept" that they can't get married because you believe that God doesn't like it?

exactlly when were people put in jail like the good pastor for getting a gay marriage.

[hope4dopes]

The Green case is almost 5 years old now. How many Pastors has Sweden locked up since then? Any laws directing the church to start marrying gays? I eagerly await your next example do enting a pattern of this state sanctioned persecution.

Perhaps you could tell me how many gays have been put in jail for advocating same sex marriages..in the same time period........

[coyotes_geek]

exactlly when were people put in jail like the good pastor for getting a gay marriage.

There are exactly as many criminal convictions in the U.S of people getting gay marriages as there are criminal convictions in Sweden of pastors giving sermons on sexuals.

Still waiting on your additional "shot across the bow" evidence btw..........

[Jacob1983]

Read any sociology or psychology book and check under deviant behavior. You will find that sexuality is a deviant behavior. And yes, heterosexuals can participate in deviant behavior. Anyone can. And like I said before, deviant behavior isn't always bad. It's just behavior that deviates away from the norms of society. So before you point your finger at me and judge me, look up the ing definition of deviant behavior.

[coyotes_geek]

Perhaps you could tell me how many gays have been put in jail for advocating same sex marriages..in the same time period........

Zero.

Your additional do entation please.

[coyotes_geek]

Read any sociology or psychology book and check under deviant behavior. You will find that sexuality is a deviant behavior. And yes, heterosexuals can participate in deviant behavior. Anyone can. And like I said before, deviant behavior isn't always bad. It's just behavior that deviates away from the norms of society. So before you point your finger at me and judge me, look up the ing definition of deviant behavior.

Okay, it's deviant. Now will you tell me why that one specific deviant behavior should disqualify people from getting married when no other deviant behavior between two consenting adults does?

[hope4dopes]

There are exactly as many criminal convictions in the U.S of people getting gay marriages as there are criminal convictions in Sweden of pastors giving sermons on sexuals.

Still waiting on your additional "shot across the bow" evidence btw..........

Oh really and what is the name of the gay activist who was arrested for advocating gay marriage or jailed for saying christianity was a blight on society, during the same time the pastor was put in jail.