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    Dude.... don't let facts get in the way of a popular accusation, if you're not hating on Fin and Bonner you're not cool, apparently.
    We're 2-1 and both are doing reasonably well at hitting their jump shots. What does this tell you about the Spurs fanbase? We are, always have been, always will be a conservative fanbase.

    Many of us like the Spurs cause we live in San Antonio/Texas, but there are many of us that also like the ins utional principles of the Spurs, which is team basketball and defense first. That's the reason why Fin and Bon are getting as much animosity as they are. We just aren't use to those types of players.

    Laker fans are content with winning games at all costs, even if it means they have a star player that acts like a raging bag.

    I love the Spurs, but if Tony Parker started acting like that and Holt/Pop tolerated it, I would speak out against it, even if it was winning games. And I know I'm not the only one.

    Loyalty is important and what spurs basketball is all about, but not to an unhealthy extreme.

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    There is no excuse for Pop in this regard. The early season 'experimenting' excuse for still playing Finley let alone starting him? Give me break, there are no new results coming. There are no legit reasons to experiment with him, he's proven what he is the last two years. He's proven it heavy, he's proven it at a lighter weight. They cannot win the le with him in the rotation at this point of his career.

    REAL experimenting by Pop this early in the season with all the days off and practice schedule would be throwing Hairston, Haislip and Mahinmi into the fire at least until Christmas when the ABC telecasts start. THAT would be an experiment, because you can't know the results beforehand. That could fail miserably.

    But if the H-H-M experiment succeeds, partially or in whole, the team and it's chances improve to win a le.


    I really don't think this is an experiment. And I think if these questions are so disturbing it's probably an issue for the person asking, not the players or coaches.

    The best way to get answers might be to pretend you are asking Popovich to his face. Or imagine what Timmy is thinking. Do we think TD is as disgusted with Finley and Bonner's playing time as we are? Do we think he is disgusted, period? Or is Timmy trusting that Pop is balancing playing time, rotations, compe ive play, role defining.....?

    Do you think Finley's minutes will gradually and consistently be cut back as Manu gets back into shape, Mason gets some more confidence(and a hot streak), and Hill finds a way to play next to Parker? It seems very possible because all three scenarios seem likely to happen. I bet that once we get to game 10 you'll see a steady diet of Finley starting and playing 1st/3rd quarter runs with spot 4th quarter appearances when Pop wants to spread the floor for Duncan to post up. He'll use Finley then for 3pt shooting, passing, and free throws. You won't see him logging heavy minutes.

    And you HAVEN'T seen it yet this year either. All THREE games have been lopsided so the minutes don't reflect 'serious' playing time. If we're gonna use them to gauge the rotations then we might as well look at them from the other angles-Finley is shooting 50% from 3pt range. I don't give that figure much weight but simply stating it helps remind ourselves that there are 79 games left.

    So would any of us walk up to Pop and say, "dude you gotta let go of Finley, he's worthless. Bonner is ok, but just experiment and throw HHM into the mix big time." and think you can be taken seriously?

    And what does Christmas and ABC have to do with basketball?

    I'm sure we all want the same thing-a great season that leads to a fantastic run at the le- so let's take it easy on the over-analyzing/under-analyzing/overreacting and let Pop and the Spurs do their job. I think Popovich realizes he made a big mistake not letting George Hill develop more last season. Pop knows there were aspects to the game that he needs to pay more attention to and the roster he came up with to address those issues needs a lot of care to be on a championship level of function. Let's trust the Spurs a little more and keep all this stressing over the lineups in check for a bit. Remember, 2007 le was won with Finley starting at 2guard, playing 22.2mpg, and sitting while Ginobili took over the 2nd and 4th quarters.

    And if Finley plays 20mpg, shoots 40%+ from both 2pt and 3pt and shows strong leadership on and off the court for all 6 BRAND NEW Spurs

    and Bonner plays 20mpg, shoots 45%+ from 3pt, hustles on both ends, spreads the floor for TD, McDyess, and Blair to get good inside position
    ----and we have a great season and chance at the championship----
    THAT'S A GOOD THING.

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    I'm pretty sure Bonner will get replaced by Dyess as the season goes deep and Dyess gets more adapted to Spurs. While Fin's seat will always be stable in the starting 5 till Spurs quit the 09-10 season at 1st or 2nd round of playoffs.

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    Watching the Rockets is depressing. Chuck Hayes, Scola, Carl Landry....ugh. They are full of freaking man beasts. Meanwhile, we still have Bonner.

    Fun Fact: Those three combined for THIRTY FIVE rebounds tonight....and 10 of the teams 17 offensive rebounds.
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    Houston probably has the best role players in the NBA..sucks that they don't have any stars..

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    well..this thread is going to be bad tonight..

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    Houston probably has the best role players in the NBA..sucks that they don't have any stars..

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    I ing hate Matt Bonner.

    He is everything BAD that represents this team:

    Always chucking three's. Yeah that's all he does.. and he lives and dies by them. (Just like the rest of the team)

    He's worth on defense.

    His T-rex arms can never block shots.

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    random..

    since 1980, only 1 team has won an NBA Championship when they have a swingman(SG or SF) that is over the age of 35 that plays 25 MPG or more(obviously have to play a certain amount of games to qualify, nothing like 10 games or 15)..that team was the 2007 Spurs with Bruce Bowen..

    Only 2 other teams have made it past the 1st round when they have a 35+ year old swingman playing that much..

    the 1986 Sixers were eliminated with a 36-year old Julius Erving, and the 2004 Pacers with a 38-year old Reggie Miller..

    don't do it Pop..

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    I ing hate Matt Bonner.

    He is everything BAD that represents this team:

    Always chucking three's. Yeah that's all he does.. and he lives and dies by them. (Just like the rest of the team)

    He's worth on defense.

    His T-rex arms can never block shots.
    Bonner has been defending better than half the players on this team thus far this year.

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    ^ that's the most horrible comment of this thread

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    ^ that's the most horrible comment of this thread
    No, it's not. Have you watched any games this year? The whole team hasn't been worth crap on defense. McDyess, Hill, and everyone else were getting owned on defense last night. And it occurred in games prior, as well.

    I just hope our defensive issues are due to working new guys into the rotation (which I think is probably the case). Otherwise, we're in deep trouble.

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    hmm that was a pretty awful night. wish their minutes steadily decline.

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    whoa did i see that right? michael finley is out of the starting line-up? but was replaced by bogans. hmm

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    whoa did i see that right? michael finley is out of the starting line-up? but was replaced by bogans. hmm
    We're saving his legs for the playoffs...
    In other news, Bonner so far (1st quarter) has defended Aldrige pretty well, although he's more of a jumpshooter than a low post guy...

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    random..

    since 1980, only 1 team has won an NBA Championship when they have a swingman(SG or SF) that is over the age of 35 that plays 25 MPG or more(obviously have to play a certain amount of games to qualify, nothing like 10 games or 15)..that team was the 2007 Spurs with Bruce Bowen..

    Only 2 other teams have made it past the 1st round when they have a 35+ year old swingman playing that much..

    the 1986 Sixers were eliminated with a 36-year old Julius Erving, and the 2004 Pacers with a 38-year old Reggie Miller..

    don't do it Pop..
    dont do it pop

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    We're saving his legs for the playoffs...
    In other news, Bonner so far (1st quarter) has defended Aldrige pretty well, although he's more of a jumpshooter than a low post guy...
    haha i hope not. i cannot believe bonner is guarding someone well. not watching so i'm counting on spurstalk to give me updates.

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    LOL @ Finley airballing over Blake in the post, then getting Kobe'd in the post by Aldridge, then getting an isolation on the wing and unable to beat Blake, so he tries to pass and hits a Portland's player's foot..

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    i hooope that pop gets over his drunk coaching and just just give the other players a chance. sure they're playing badly as well right now but if you give them more time, they can actually give you more than what these two guys are giving. if he gives more consistent time to hill, blair and mason, these guys can produce. give them a chance pop.

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    Pop should put Mason, Bonner and Finley on IL

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    LOL at
    L. Aldridge fouled by M. Bonner.
    L. Aldridge shoots first free throw.
    L. Aldridge shoots second free throw.
    L. Aldridge steals the ball from M. Bonner.

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    i dunno about mase, i think he just needs more consistent playing time, we all know what he's capable of doing if used the right way.

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    i dunno about mase, i think he just needs more consistent playing time, we all know what he's capable of doing if used the right way.
    Mason can't play D, just like Finley, maybe worst

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    Mason can't play D, just like Finley, maybe worst
    He's a better defender than McDyess.

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    mason can be capable of playing okay d. unlike fin who's stuck at old age mode. i think mason has no confidence right now. not getting consistent playing time, etc. and what the is up with pop not playing dyess and blair enough? i hate small ball. when was the last time it worked?

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