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hmm quite interesting. howd you come across it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQ...eature=related
send the link to everyone you know and for gods sake, don't take that H1N1 vaccine.
hmm quite interesting. howd you come across it
Interesting, but I didn't need her to tell me not to take the vaccine. I already wasn't going to take it.
you will all die because of your distrust for government perpetuated by your precious St. Ronnie who brought this country to its knees by turning the people against their leaders in all things not having to do with empire building and the killing of Ethiopians....goLLum...
...Not a bad set of videos...I hope because of these videos there will be more independent research on the vaccinations to test the validity of her theories.....in the mean-time I advise - use common sense....people aren't dying in mass..
I've been looking things up as I watched this.
In the 1976 outbreak, 1 person died from the Swine Flu. However, there were 500 cases of GBS reported from the vaccine, killing 25 people.
I wonder how the remaining 475 people liked the results of taking the vaccine, being paralized?
Remember the video in The Club, of the girl who cannot walk?
The implications seem to be that there is live vaccine of either bird flu or seasonal ful being shipped in one of the current two doses...I don't know if there is scientific bases for that, but the use, or abuse, of the immune system stimulant is risk enough...
I just started to see part 5 where she says the swine flu hasn't mutated in 70 years, so how can they announce a mutation?
The suggestion is that if it really is mutating, that someone is doing it!
The young lady we are watching in the video is sister Teresa Forcades. Wiki has a short but interesting link on her:
Teresa Forcades
Well she does say that Baxter was trying to mutate a live virus and the bird flu....seems though that if there was a co-relation between people who have been taking the flu shots and those that are getting getting swine flu, that the health-care industry would pick up on it...not to mention word of mouth..unless these people just became infectious carriers and spread the disease instead of coming down with the active virus themselves....that's a more convoluted theory though...
Wow. That was an eye opener.
The translation must be pretty new...I found no English language debunking yet.
(Found one, more hortatory than factual IMO, but here it is: http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2...anoia-iii.html)Here's a link to her 2006 book, Crimes and Abuses of the Pharmaceutical Industry:
Here is the takedown in El Pais (Spanish language):
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/socie...lpepisoc_1/Tes
Short on specifics, long on emotive prose, but nicely condensed:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/socie...lpepisoc_2/TesApareció Teresa Forcades monja y médica, buena comunicadora, que arrasa en YouTube mezclando datos ciertos, medias verdades, enigmas que no lo son y leyendas urbanas. Un discurso atractivo, seductor. Pero peligroso, similar al que en EE UU ha llevado a miles de familias, en su resistencia a los malvados laboratorios, a impedir que se vacune a sus niños de nada. Y, por tanto, a jugar con su esperanza de vida.
http://www.fespinal.com/espinal/llib/en124.pdf
What are your thoughts WH?
New word gleaned from the Spanish press: <<conspiranoia>>
...it's no 9/11...
Thanks, but I'm getting my shot this week. Not one bit worried either.
Still gathering info. Teresa Forcades is plenty controversial for her feminism, her support of sexual rights, her pro-abortion views, her liberation theology and her trips to Venezuela, but none of that relates to your question.
The facts about the contamination of material by Baxter, the WHO's new definition of epidemic, calling off specific testing for H1N1 (I think the CDC has already done so in the US) and its ability to mandate vaccination in member states, the use of adjuvants and secondary effects, mortality rates for H1N1, the history of swine flu -- in short, Forcades's strictly scientific claims -- all ought to be easily checkable in principle. I have not checked them myself. But neither have I seen any of them debunked in the handful of critical Spanish sources I have read.
The speculation about whether the contamination at Baxter was intentional and the possible contamination of this year's virus is just that -- speculation. Ditto with her sheepish allusions to shadowy forces seeking world domination.
Her speculation about political consequences for refusing seemed sketchy to me. I could easily be wrong, though. I don't know anything about US laws relating to pandemics and vaccination.
I was probably most spooked by her assertions about putting more adjuvants in this years vaccine and doubling up the dose. From what little I've read, depending on what is used the link with Guillain-Barre' could be there. Again, my knowledge on this topic is pretty much non-existent.
In short, I'd need to know a lot more before being confident about my judgment, but for the moment, the description given in El Pais works for me: <<datos ciertos, medias verdades, enigmas que no lo son y leyendas urbanas.>>
A mix of solid facts, half truths, false enigmas and urban legend
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For myself, I've never been vaccinated as an adult and I don't intend to start -- per personal preference rather than any reasoned conclusion.
I hope you don't lose control of your fingers. I wouldn't miss you, but i don't want to wish harm on you either. It would be nice if you cauldn't type here any longer though.
You and I agree here. I think she may have been afraid to make anything that could be considered a claim of intent or conspiracy. Maybe it's as she says, just a possibility. I think she remained careful not to cross certain lines, especially ones she couldn't prove.
Remember, there is a Guillain-Barre connection in that girl that walks backwards.
A bit more propagandishy, but another doctor, this one swedish I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=185HKE2c5Gg
True. But the mere fact of mentioning certain possibilities makes it clear which inferences she wishes her audience to consider, and which she may hold herself.
Hard to say what exactly her true feelings are. I think by the intensity she voiced the possibilities, she at least believes it highly probable, that there is some sort of conspiracy. Myself? Hard to say. What bothers me the most is redefining what a Pandemic is. It may not apply in other countries, but at least in USA jurisdiction, what ever agreements we have are still legally based on the definition of the word when agrements are signed. It seems to me that this can be a serious concern for countries with laws of a more worldly view.
Were I to lose control of my fingers, it would be attributable to a psychogenic meltdown on my part- not the vaccine.
Like that back-asswards cheerleader- had absolutely nothing to do with the shot being bad. Had everything to do with paranoia about the shot and subsequently, psychosomatic symptoms. That, unsurprisingly, went away.
I don't know of any credible studies yet that link the vaccine to malfeasance by any of the drug-makers producing the vaccine...still, if the numbers of dead or sick from this strain of flu are real, then one has to really question whether the vaccine is a necessary risk...I guess that's a decision every informed adult is going to have to make for him/her and their families....my choice is not to take the vaccine for now...
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