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We've not yet had anything first hand in this thread, I think. Please feel free to amplify, Ativus1.
You dont keep counsel with a what? Gibberish again, sandwich boards? Is that a Zionist thing?
We've not yet had anything first hand in this thread, I think. Please feel free to amplify, Ativus1.
Not necessarily.
I was thinking more along the lines of anyone with actual knowledge of the procedural and legal issues, but you've already inserted your ignorance into the void for no good reason.
BTW, the gunman was American also.
Yeah well I was thinking more along the lines of people who actually had some kind of actual real life experinces, instead of a white bread suburbanite
adolecent living life through a computer screen,while fondeling his inflatable doll.
Glad to see you're ok.
Oh yeah, micca of da streets!
micca of the rich life experience.
Did you learn anything about the legal and procedural issues in this particular case on the streets during your hard tough guy upbringing, or you just excited at the thought of having another chance to meltdown on the internets?
Stupid...... religon has nothing at all to do with what happened in ulster
Not that I recall, just about the difference between jacked up punk es and stand up folks.
I was asking if anyone knew the procedural and legal issues involved because I didn't. As far as I could see, the military was planning on suspending him for a time, but didn't see that they could do anything else because there really wasn't anything else to punish.
Your upbringing on da streets didn't give you any knowledge of the issues either, did they?
You're a real stand-up guy, micca of da streets, admitting your ignorance like that.
I never said it didn't. But the IRA didn't become terrorists because of what they learned in catechism.
I'm sorry chimp I assumed Radio Shack only had you stock the shelves I wasn't aware you were one of their lawyers....... I mean otherwise it'd look ridiculous for a shelf stocker to be discussing legal minutea.
Well the fact this head was heard to scream" allah akbar" a well known islamist battle cry while he butchered people is different, in that I've never heard of the IRA spraying bullets and then screaming "take that from the holy father s"
now that is funny.
I don't work at Radio shack and I'm not a lawyer, micca of da streets.
Thanks for not discussing anything but me, though. It's good to know what's important to you.
I am still waiting for someone to present a compelling argument on why this guy doesn't need the living tortured out of him.
I know it's just a matter of time until his rights become more important than the 13 US troops he murdered and the 50 or 60 lives he just ruined, but I figure you guys are waiting until the bodies are in the ground before you start throwing them under the bus.
See I can tell you I would be saying this exact same thing if his name was John Smith and he was a christian. I do not give a what his name is or what his religion is.
This is not an eye for an eye, for he was never mudered by 13 people previously. Although we certainly have that opportunity to repay him now. And to anyone familiar with his faith, it would be totally ok to do so according to it.
I do not believe he is subject to any civil laws because his targets were military personnel.
I do not believe he deserves the treatment accorded the Geneva convention because he did not adhere to it by clearly marking himself as an enemy combatant.
BTW, I am not interested in being better than them, I just like myself better than I like them...so don't even go there. If you try that logic in a life or death situation with a terrorist or anyone intent on causing your harm, you will wind up dead. It only works on people that are not going to hurt you. Since I am no better than they are, do not attempt to use it. And if you do...then you need to also use it on them instead of the current tactics ya'll use of inserting their s in your mouths and sucking(insert insults to gays here)
Simple question...
Why does this man not deserve to be tortured based on his actions?
This is the part where you guys stop sounding intelligent and start sounding like idiots with a complete detatchment from reality who are only unfraid to be critical of one group, white male christian raised men, otherwise known as yourselves...and who live in a world where no one kills 13 US Troops with families (it's all in our sociopathic little minds).
Spy or traitor...or mass murder. Why doesn't he deserve that fate when his guilt is beyond question?
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Because he is an American and we are, too. Because torture is untraditional, illegal and immoral. Those are pretty good reasons for some people, though not, I would expect, for you.
Each to his own taste.
i can agree with him being tried under UCMJ. especially with him being an officer, he betrayed the trust of those who may not have respected his religious beliefs, but had respect for his rank. how are you supposed to trust those who are barking orders at you if you have a deep seeded fear of that they might kill you? and even if it was some sort of a faith based attack (which i honestly don't believe, seems to me that he just snapped after not being able to deal with the horror stories he heard as a shrink to our stressed out soldiers, and the fact that he felt biased against due to his religion but that's just my two cents) he just caused more discrimination against every other arab or muslim american soldier.
because i don't remember anywhere in the UCMJ does it say "punishable by torture" but i do remember seeing "punishable by death" in a few places.Why does this man not deserve to be tortured based on his actions?
I got through about 9 pages of this thread with the final conclusion being: you people are ing idiots.
Those of you that "heard he hired a lawyer" about him being harassed..........good for you, you're now taking the word of a crazy person.........those of you that are making this into a political issue, you should kill yourself..........those of you that are wanting anything other then this man to die after being sentenced by our own military, go yourself.
This forum is gay.
I don't think anyone weighed in on this yet. The death sentence seems appropriate to me.
I think he should be punished to the full extent of the law. If that law includes torture, so be it. I'm not sure that it currently does, however.
Someone mentioned "firing squad." I'll bet more Ft. Hood soldiers would volenteer than they could accomodate.
I think death by firing squad is long overdue.
i thought that was the consensus so far? i mean, i was just arguing against torture, because its un-American. however, i find nothing wrong with this case going only before a military court, and i believe the punishment for killing a fellow soldier in a non-friendly fire situation is pretty cut and dry. death. wacko or not he killed 12 enlisted men (going to assume there weren't any officers, but i haven't seen any name list yet) while being an officer and there was even one civilian causality, the guys fate is set in stone. i'm usually anti-death penalty, but i've said before the govt should not have a right to kill, unless in time of war, now while this isn't in a warzone, it was on base and was aimed at servicemen.
Some people are so PO'd about this that probably anything said here would be annoying. It's understandable.
Me too, but I'm inclined to agree with you. This guy was a US officer. There were oaths involved. Whatever the UCMJ requires is fine by me.
I'm pretty sure he just commited about 5 different types of treason, whether he acted alone or not and all it takes is one, so he is about to very shortly...no longer be an American.
In addition, regardless of what anyone says, people that commit acts of espionage and sabotage against a country do not get the treatment the laws say they are supposed to get. They get ed, and I know this because I had a friend that was in the Special Forces and did these very things, long long before 9/11 happened.
Untraditional, for a predominantly christian country? Are you on crack?Because torture is untraditional
Nothing untraditional about it, it is very traditional. Would you like some examples of past tortures on this very soil? American, pre-American, christian, Native American? Take your pick. Or would you just prefer an example of just about every other country in world history doing it?
illegal
Is it illegal in this case? I don't believe it actually is.
According to whom? Walt ing Disney?and immoral.
My taste is a utopian world where I teach the world to sing in perfect harmony and buy them a coca-cola and chump actually admits when he loses an argument with me, however, my taste is pure fantasy and unfortunately not one shared by the rest of the world, which is why it will remain a fantasy for a looooooooong time.Those are pretty good reasons for some people, though not, I would expect, for you.
Each to his own taste.
You know why there is no civilization in history like you guys expect America to be? Because all the people that attempted it got erased.
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