Truth or Myth - Nice guys finish last with women

[mavs>spurs2]

The problem is that guys who don't pull ass tend to think hot chicks are smart and can guess their every move, or that they need something incredibly original and/or thought provoking to break the ice, the guy himself thinks he doesn't deserve her, etc


Approach her like she's a 2, treat her like she's a 2 if she's being a , while being as physically attractive as you can be. You will get your share of hot es if you do this.

that's pretty much true. confidence and not being NEEDY are the keys. if you treat her like shes nothing special and you don't care, that shows her that you're a social person who's used to being around other hot women and you become more attractive in her eyes. in high school i was always the shy type, probably because i didn't want to look like a dumbass around my peers if i ed up. but now that i'm in college, ive finally realized "so what?" if you up? it's not high school, you don't ever have to see the chick ever again most of the time. you don't have to sit in class in a small school where everyone knows everyone for 8 hours a day with her and her friends. so just go for it, and once you realize this, and if you already had good social skills, then you become invincible

[Duff McCartney]

Yes they do. They always finish last.

I had an experience where I was the nice guy to the tenth degree..and I got on because of it. I personally am a nice guy, but I've never bothered with women much anymore.

The advice in this thread is nauseating...it's always about games. That's pretty much what s up trying to get a girl for me..nothing but games, games everybody plays..don't show her you like her, don't give in to her too fast. All a bunch of bull .

I think relationships would be so much easier if people didn't like to play games so much.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Is it fun having some assholes sloppy seconds?

Yeah, because you only sleep with virgins... unless you got yourself a virgin and a young age and married her, and can be sure you've never been cuckolded, it's all "sloppy seconds" head.

You totally missed my point, anyway, which is that nice guys generally do a lot better as they and the women around them mature. When people are young all most of them care about is looks, but when they get to their late 20s most people realise that actually looks mean very little and other qualities come to the fore.

As an addendum, I went to a party last night and had a 21yo girl eating out of my hand because now, as a 34yo, I can read body language and know how to behave around women. I walked away from this girl because I'm really not interested in random sex any more, but back when I was her age I would have given anything to know what I know now! Sad, but true.

[SA210]

Yes they do. They always finish last.

I had an experience where I was the nice guy to the tenth degree..and I got on because of it. I personally am a nice guy, but I've never bothered with women much anymore.

The advice in this thread is nauseating...it's always about games. That's pretty much what s up trying to get a girl for me..nothing but games, games everybody plays..don't show her you like her, don't give in to her too fast. All a bunch of bull .

I think relationships would be so much easier if people didn't like to play games so much.

Great post.

I do agree with most of what's been said, that they finish last and what you must do to get certain girl's attention, but I'm with You on the fact that it IS all games and that's just sad.

Wish it didn't have to be that way.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah, because you only sleep with virgins... unless you got yourself a virgin and a young age and married her, and can be sure you've never been cuckolded, it's all "sloppy seconds" head.

You totally missed my point, anyway, which is that nice guys generally do a lot better as they and the women around them mature. When people are young all most of them care about is looks, but when they get to their late 20s most people realise that actually looks mean very little and other qualities come to the fore.

As an addendum, I went to a party last night and had a 21yo girl eating out of my hand because now, as a 34yo, I can read body language and know how to behave around women. I walked away from this girl because I'm really not interested in random sex any more, but back when I was her age I would have given anything to know what I know now! Sad, but true.

I'm not talkin bout sexually I'm talking about "in the head" At some point a realizes she wants to settle down and stops dating assholes so she latches onto a stable guy. she's with a stable guy cause she is settling for him.

[David Bowie]

^If you stopped calling all women es all the time maybe you'd finally get laid.

[Trainwreck2100]

^If you stopped calling all women es all the time maybe you'd finally get laid.

I'll never get laid cause i'm looking for a woman who isn't a

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm not talkin bout sexually I'm talking about "in the head" At some point a realizes she wants to settle down and stops dating assholes so she latches onto a stable guy. she's with a stable guy cause she is settling for him.

And that is full of , too. Her mindset has changed - that is, she has grown up and realised that she doesn't want to be with wits who treat her like any more - but you call that "settling"? That's not settling. Settling for someone is when you decide to stay with them even though you are not particularly into them, and that is certainly not what I've described, which is that more mature people make better choices and thus nice guys (and girls) start to win later in life when it's less about bull like looks and being 'cool', and more about substance.

How old are you? When you post like this you sound like a naive 19 year old. Then again, you are the guy who has the head leg-swiping a woman as his sig, so you've obviously not had a great time relating to the opposite sex. Drop some of your baggage and you might have a chance.

[Trainwreck2100]

And that is full of , too. Her mindset has changed - that is, she has grown up and realised that she doesn't want to be with wits who treat her like any more - but you call that "settling"? That's not settling. Settling for someone is when you decide to stay with them even though you are not particularly into them, and that is certainly not what I've described, which is that more mature people make better choices and thus nice guys (and girls) start to win later in life when it's less about bull like looks and being 'cool', and more about substance.

As you get older teh es that wouldn't have touched you before are all up into you and it has nothing to do with who you are and everything to do with what you offer. They had their fun and now they want to settle down. Security, emotional stability, etc, they are attracted to those things long before they are attracted to you.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

As you get older teh es that wouldn't have touched you before are all up into you and it has nothing to do with who you are and everything to do with what you offer. They had their fun and now they want to settle down. Security, emotional stability, etc, they are attracted to those things long before they are attracted to you.

I can see that applying to women who were beautiful when young and lose their looks as they grow older, but otherwise, nope. And those " es" you describe are exactly the kind of women I'd stay well away from. BTW, "emotional stability" is part of who you are and how hard you've worked to understand yourself, not an external variable like how much money you have in the bank

I can only talk from my experience, but in my case it had nothing to do with money or "security" as you call it (because I had none of that to offer - I am not motivated by money), and everything to do with who I am as a human being and falling in love. I know that because I was there.

You're extremely cynical and assume you are right about everything, but actually you have a lot to learn, as do we all.

[Trainwreck2100]

I can see that applying to women who were beautiful when young and lose their looks as they grow older, but otherwise, nope. And those " es" you describe are exactly the kind of women I'd stay well away from. BTW, "emotional stability" is part of who you are and how hard you've worked to understand yourself, not an external variable like how much money you have in the bank

I can only talk from my experience, but in my case it had nothing to do with money or "security" as you call it (because I had none of that to offer - I am not motivated by money), and everything to do with who I am as a human being and falling in love. I know that because I was there.

You're extremely cynical and assume you are right about everything, but actually you have a lot to learn, as do we all.

Yes we all have alot to learn, especially you. Let me tell you something just cause you get older doesn't mean the game's over, it just means the rules have changed.

Do you believe a that wouldn't touch you five years ago is all up on your , cause she matured? No its cause she's "tired of being hurt and the other guy she was with cheated on her blah blah blah" She sees a guy that won't do any of the thing those "other guys" did and that's what she's attracted to, not you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Do you believe a that wouldn't touch you five years ago is all up on your , cause she matured? No its cause she's "tired of being hurt and the other guy she was with cheated on her blah blah blah" She sees a guy that won't do any of the thing those "other guys" did and that's what she's attracted to, not you.

yeh 5 yrs down the track do you see urself giving that person a chance after they blocked you in the first place now used and abused golddigging ho wants to be with you?

[Trainwreck2100]

yeh 5 yrs down the track do you see urself giving that person a chance after they blocked you in the first place now used and abused golddigging ho wants to be with you?

Course not, but i'm not saying its someone you know. I'm saying they are all up on your now, but if they knew you five years ago they wouldn't touch you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Course not, but i'm not saying its someone you know. I'm saying they are all up on your now, but if they knew you five years ago they wouldn't touch you.

ive seen that happen, lets just say its karma biatch for blocking when you think you can do better than the current person can provide in a relationship.

[TheThinkingMan]

I think Trainwreck needs to be honest with himself.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yes we all have alot to learn, especially you. Let me tell you something just cause you get older doesn't mean the game's over, it just means the rules have changed.

Do you believe a that wouldn't touch you five years ago is all up on your , cause she matured? No its cause she's "tired of being hurt and the other guy she was with cheated on her blah blah blah" She sees a guy that won't do any of the thing those "other guys" did and that's what she's attracted to, not you.

Well, for one thing we're talking more like 10-15 years ago, and why do you keep referring to the same woman coming back? I doubt the women who rejected me 15 years ago would be interested in me today either, the difference is I wouldn't be interested in them - they were the wrong type for me, I just didn't get that at the time. Sadly, I was caught up in the Superficial Beauty Myth until I was about 24.

I know the reasons women weren't attracted to me when I was young - I was too serious, too intense, too moody, not a young woman's cup of tea. I'm pretty sure the reason that changed is both me becoming older, wiser and more mellow, and them realising that partying isn't everything in life and changing their preferences towards more mature men, a neat symbiosis.

Also, you presuppose that the girls who fell for me (and who I fell for) could instantly see that I am different from those other men who treated them poorly, which of course they couldn't - they found that out over time as they came to know who I am. These relationships didn't just happen because of a bunch of tickboxes on some woman's list. Once again, I know that for certain because I was there.

Your at ude to this makes me think you've been with some pretty bitter, manipulative women. Thankfully, I haven't. I end up with the ones I connect with on an intellectual, spiritual and sexual level, and each of the relationships I've been in has been overwhelmingly positive for both parties. I'm one of the rare guys who is still friends with my long-term exs, even though I broke up with all three.

[ToughActinTinactin]

It is a myth.

[Homeland Security]

Don't get me wrong, there isn't a fool proof formula for anything when it comes to picking up women. At least, I don't think there is. Plus, I'm far from being an authority on the matter, but I've gotten laid enough times in my life to know that the whole "nice guys finish last" bull is not about nice guys, its about pussy's who don't want to admit it. I know, I was one of them. A long dry spell forces you to do some soul searching let me tell you, and that is exactly what I was being, a pussy, and pussies don't get pussy.

Yes they do. They always finish last.

I had an experience where I was the nice guy to the tenth degree..and I got on because of it. I personally am a nice guy, but I've never bothered with women much anymore.

The advice in this thread is nauseating...it's always about games. That's pretty much what s up trying to get a girl for me..nothing but games, games everybody plays..don't show her you like her, don't give in to her too fast. All a bunch of bull .

I think relationships would be so much easier if people didn't like to play games so much.

Great post.

I do agree with most of what's been said, that they finish last and what you must do to get certain girl's attention, but I'm with You on the fact that it IS all games and that's just sad.

Wish it didn't have to be that way.

Outstanding.

[SA210]

I'll never get laid cause i'm looking for a woman who isn't a

[SA210]

Outstanding.

What's funny about what I said? I agree with everything y'all are saying. Just saying that it sucks that it has to be that way.

Forum pussy? Nah, I get my share of tail

[JoeChalupa]

I used to think that way.....until I met my wife.

[TDMVPDPOY]

is there also a known relationship between domestic voilence and girls who are attracted to alpha guys who treat them like to get them in the first place, compared to nice guys who wouldnt lay a finger on them untill the bed scene?