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    Pop will play Finley as a backup PG

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    48 MOH on this subject:

    Setting aside the question of Hill’s anticipated performance, the more interesting curiosity going into tonight’s contest against the Raptors is whom Parker will replace on the inactive list. The Spurs have an opportunity to experiment with their rotation tonight, and I’m curious if they’ll approach this game in that way.

    Assuming Hill plays 30-35 minutes, Mason Jr. and Ginobili should see time at point guard. Does Pop give Bogans another opportunity to earn his way into the rotation, extend the minutes of his regulars (Finley, Ginobili and Mason Jr.) or try Malik Hairston?If Popovich doesn’t activate Hairston, could Haislip or Mahinmi get into the game?

    The Spurs’ early struggles have left the door open for someone on their deep bench to break into the rotation. It’s simply a matter of seizing opportunities as they arise.

    We know for sure that George Hill has an opportunity to make a statement, but will someone else?

    http://www.48minutesof .com/2009/...kle/#more-5208

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    Even if they bring Hairston onto the roster, that is no guarantee he'll get minutes over Bogans or whoever is the old veteran of the day in our lineup.

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    I think it would be Hairston, although I'm more worried about who will be guarding Bosh and Bargnani.

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    Post count? That may be important to some, but not to me.

    If giving Haislip some run is the objective, wouldn't it be much more sensible to simply have him replace Ratliff on the active roster? You've made a case that Malik probably won't see many minutes. Well if you dress Haislip in Parker's place, you have 6 bigs. Honestly, who could possibly be more superfluous than a 6th big?
    It's important to many around here, trust me.

    Generally I'd agree with your line of thinking, but as in most cases, the Spurs are unique. Three of their bigs are veterans whom they're trying to limit their minutes (in Ratliff's case, to the point where he generally doesn't get off the bench), one is essentially a perimeter player and the other is amongst, if not the shortest big in the league. It really is a unique front court that is predicated on many variables that go beyond just playing the top 3 guys the majority of the minutes. For this particular game, Haislip makes sense.

    lol...once he is wrong he resorts to post count smack.

    Mountainballer makes a good point. From an athletic standpoint our bigs our not going to be able to stay with Bargs/Bosh anyway. We are better off using the bigs we have that are physical and can rebound...as controlling the boards could help us cancel out whatever liabilities we might encounter on the defensive end.
    So now not only do you determine credibility, but you also determine who's/what's right/wrong. That is precisely what people like you do. You look at the post count and/or see that it's not someone you're familiar with or buddy-buddy with and you automatically dismiss or give no credence to anything they have to say.

    My point makes sense whether you agree with it or not. Just remember what I said after the game tonight when Bosh and Bargnani destroy the Spurs. Would Haislip be able to prevent this from happening? No, but he might be able to help some, as opposed to Bonner and even McDyess, who have no chance to guard these two off the dribble. Haislip was presumably signed (and given a guaranteed contract) to fulfill this role. Might as well find out early if he can help in this regard, otherwise what was the point in signing him?

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    So now not only do you determine credibility, but you also determine who's/what's right/wrong. That is precisely what people like you do. You look at the post count and/or see that it's not someone you're familiar with or buddy-buddy with and you automatically dismiss or give no credence to anything they have to say.
    Do I? And you know this how? Please supply some evidence where I have berated someone in this way instead of resorting to baseless stereotypes. Oh...and just to let the air out of your silly little theory.....

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9928

    This is lurker23. He has less than 1000 posts on this forum but he has been here since 2007. He doesn't post a lot, but when he does his takes are usually solid. He even managed to receive a Spur because of his informative reports from the Rocky Mountain Review summer before last. This substance of his posts outweighs the post count.

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=38

    This is SequSpur. He has over 19,000 posts and he is one of the original members of this forum. However, he has been pinked repeatedly and mosts of his posts are more comic relief than substance. I rarely read or reply to his topics unless I am bored or want to make fun of him...as does everyone else on this board.
    My point makes sense whether you agree with it or not. Just remember what I said after the game tonight when Bosh and Bargnani destroy the Spurs. Would Haislip be able to prevent this from happening? No, but he might be able to help some, as opposed to Bonner and even McDyess, who have no chance to guard these two off the dribble. Haislip was presumably signed (and given a guaranteed contract) to fulfill this role. Might as well find out early if he can help in this regard, otherwise what was the point in signing him?
    Bonner will help more than Haislip. I know this for a fact because I watched Haislip during the preseason. I watched his man blow right past him. I watched him repeatedly go for up fakes that led to fouls. I watched him do nothing on the boards and shoot 38%. I watched his horrible ball handling. And you know what? Pop watched this too...which is why Hairston was activated and Haislip was not.

    But hey...you might get your wish after all. Duncan is out and one of the other bigs will probably be activated. If it were me that big would be Mahimni.

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    ...and you get your wish. You don't have to cry in the corner now.

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    Are you that stupid? You told me (to paraphrase) "you're losing credibility by the minute", as if you're the judge of who has credibility.

    You don't know that for a fact. Preseason isn't the same as the regular season. Haislip deserves some minutes tonight and if he can't adequately guard Bosh, then fine, but to not even give him the chance? I know you didn't sign him, but again I ask, why was he signed then (guaranteed, no less)?

    No. Like you, Pop is obsessed with playing as small a lineup as possible and would rather resort to playing Ratliff less than 5 minutes, despite the desperate need for rim protection, Bonner with four smalls, Jefferson almost exclusively at power forward, not dressing Mahinmi, not playing Haislip ... these are such great ideas that the soft Raptors are shooting 65% and absolutely owning the Spurs down low.

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    Are you that stupid? You told me (to paraphrase) "you're losing credibility by the minute", as if you're the judge of who has credibility.

    You don't know that for a fact. Preseason isn't the same as the regular season. Haislip deserves some minutes tonight and if he can't adequately guard Bosh, then fine, but to not even give him the chance? I know you didn't sign him, but again I ask, why was he signed then (guaranteed, no less)?

    No. Like you, Pop is obsessed with playing as small a lineup as possible and would rather resort to playing Ratliff less than 5 minutes, despite the desperate need for rim protection, Bonner with four smalls, Jefferson almost exclusively at power forward, not dressing Mahinmi, not playing Haislip ... these are such great ideas that the soft Raptors are shooting 65% and absolutely owning the Spurs down low.
    I said you were losing credibility in the discussion...and that is true anytime you infer that Finley should get more minutes. And how does me saying that equal "your post count is small and mine is big so you know nothing"? Lord, you are really reaching.

    He was signed for potential...and now that signing is looking questionable. The preseason is the proving ground for players that are trying to make the team or make their case for minutes. Haislip did not come close to making anything. He didn't rebound, shoot well, dribble well, defend well....nothing. He was horrible in almost every area. How else can I put it to make you understand this?

    We are NOT going match up with Toronto's bigs defensively...period...whether Bonner plays or Haislip plays. But you know what we did do? We were physical with them and wound up outrebounding them 42-29. Our bigs played to their strengths and it canceled out any defensive liability that we had to deal with. BTW, props to mountainballer on the nice call on that.

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    I said "you and I both know those minutes will go to Finley and Bogans before they go to Hairston". I never suggest I wanted to see that. Understand the difference? Sure enough, I was right.

    Potential? He's going on 29. I agree, but you also can't write someone off just because they looked sub par in the preseason. He deserves a chance in the regular season.

    At least Haislip has a better chance of doing so, particularly against Bosh. That is presumably what he was brought in to do. Everything seems fine and dandy because the Spurs won, but their were MAJOR issues in the post, particularly in the first half.

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    As I said...those issues were nullified by superior toughness and rebounding. Our stars took care of the rest. When Duncan comes back and everything clicks that is all we will need.

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