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id say chop his hands off, blind him, and drop his ass off in the middle of iraq. with no hands he can't injure any more soldiers and without eyes he won't see the bullets headed straight for him.
Tell me more, profe. I'm unfamiliar with the process.
Says you. Usually they do.
Sure. That can happen. There is such a thing as informal justice.
Untraditional for us, if you go by the rules. I'll readily accept that ignoring the rules is also a tradition. That's what the rules are for.
Pass.
It's illegal under the eighth amendment, the Reagan-era treaty and the 1996 US statute. Not that I expect that to mean anything to you.
Like who? Have we been erased yet?
Last edited by Winehole23; 11-07-2009 at 10:33 PM.
id say chop his hands off, blind him, and drop his ass off in the middle of iraq. with no hands he can't injure any more soldiers and without eyes he won't see the bullets headed straight for him.
My pleasure:
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It's not untraditional for Muslims historically either, or Jews that for matter.Untraditional for us, if you go by the rules. I'll readily accept that ignoring the rules is also a tradition. That's what the rules are for.
Would you mind showing me exactly what you mean?It's illegal under the eighth amendment, the 1996 treaty and US statute. Not that I expect that to mean anything to you.
Because I can show you this guys own religious creed saying it's perfectly ok to take off some body parts(no horses necessary), and since he clearly showed himself to be in sympathy with the most fundamentalist ones and I know how you much respect you guys have for the Muslim Faith fundamentalist or not, I'd say this is definitely the time to take the views of other cultures and relgions into account and not just dismiss them for our superior American ways.
I'd say pretty inarguably this guy was a devout one.
Furthermore, this guy was a member of the US Military it is highly likely him considering himself to be a muslim(and not a bad one), that he knew some other muslims with similar slant to their views and just may have passed information along to them then could be used by those we are war with.
I know I'm probably being completely delusional in thinking this devout Muslim man knew any other Muslims, and for not realizing that there are actually no muslims of any branch that hate the US and that is all in my head. He probably didn't know a single one in fact, probably just some silly nut that went to work and then went home with absotely no social life ...but still, technically I believe I have valid point that it just might be to our benefit to extract information out of him.....given the fact that, we actually are at war with an Islamic Theocratic movement that has shown the ability to arm substantial numbers of people and willingness to use them. And believe it or not...they actually declared war on us.
Who's we?
Like who? Have we been erased yet?
Anyway, I can tell by the glum responses the fate that awaits this man is kind of a sad realization for many of you...
Just pretend it's Bush, or Sarah Palin(just joking on that one, I sincerely want to cheer you guys up).
Even better...pretend he's an Afghani man who drinks his own sewage, or woman who dreams of the day she'll have a better life than a llama as she lights herself on fire because it's just, their way(and also drinks her own sewage).... them, savages, not our probem(but oh how we respect them), etc.
You guys don't want Muslims being wrongly persecuted? Neither do I...you cannot handle this guy with kid gloves. He needs to be treated as a traitor, as a spy, as a saboteur, and as an example, and you know what, believe it or not, the men and women in our military have rights to, they have the right to be supported by us and for us to do everything in our power to protect them rather than tying not one but both hands behind their back in a time of war as we stick our stupid heads up our overly idealistic asses.
I know you mean well, but you might as well be taking orders from UBL. This is exactly what he wants: hypermasculine deluded crusader mentality. You and your kind have done Al Qaeda's recruiting for them. Probably for the next couple of generations. You justify their deluded theology for them, and prove to them what they've been saying about us all along is true. Nice work!
When you pull things out of the air you always say you can demonstrate it but you never do. Don't get me wrong, fiat is fine by me. But you should drop the conceit that you've *shown* us anything. It's pretentious bull .
The pose of the high-minded humanitarian sooo does not suit you.
Anyway, I thought you wanted to eliminate the holes of the earth, not alleviate them. In your morbid zeal to insult others you seem to have forgotten yourself somewhat. Intemperate rage can throw you off like that.
Who suggested that? The death penalty may not satisfy you, but it would be the effective end of Major Hasan.
Your gift for overstatement is truly impressive. Nice rant, whottt.
manufacturing evidence to justify war should be an act of treason.
all treasonous actors should suffer. not just the ones who act alone.
Sook, they do not drag you down. And you are not responsible for the actions of some idiots. No one but a select group of idiots thinks all Muslims are terrorists. That said the moderate ones are not nearly as loud and noticable as the violent ones, and they tend to lose control of their countries to the asshole ones. And no one can really tell which is which because hte moderates don't do a very good job of drawing the distinction(and I know some of them try).
I do think many Muslims love the concept of Islamic states like Westerners love Democracy and that frankly scares the out of me as I do not want to live in any sort of Islamic state.
Main reason being? Nearly every big country that is any kind of Islamic Monarchy, Theocracy or whatever kind of archy you want to add to it, treats it's people like complete . And they are flat out ing experts at blaming someone else for it. And it's got nothing to do with money or US Support either.
Israel may for instance may the biggest collection of assholes on the planet in the eyes of many Muslims, however, they treat their people better than any big Islamic anything I can think of.
We support the out of Saudi Arabia, they are our ally every bit as much as Israel is and have been for much longer, they are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and they still treat their people like , especially their women.
Pakistan, the original Islamic State of the modern world is the worst ing Government in Asia outside of the Taliban. I mean even India is obviously a much better place to live inspite of it's massive population. Same people once upon a time, one wanted to be a Theocracy and the other Democracy and the Democracy is clearly a better place to live, I mean India isn't totally based on upon bribes, Pakistan is.
Iran is also one of the wealthiest countries in the world and they also treat their people like , although, not as badly as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia do. Some of it is due to sanctions but there is absolutely no doubt that Theorcracy treats it's people much much tier than the previous regime did.
Islam backslid particularly in the area of women's rights and between the constant wars in the ME and that, that is the problem I see in those countries, that is the gap I see.
And I'm not just talking from ignorance, because I have dated a Muslim girl before from a moderate family, she is still one of my dearest friends and I know her stories of growing up, I know exactly what a rare occurence that was and I also know how her family reacted to her dating me, and it was a total and complete storm. (she hated the wars too btw, and she actually blames the women for their own lack of status in Pakistan, but I disagree).
That is why those countries are holes IMO and that is why most of Europe, the Americas and parts of Asia are not. Women's rights.
You see pussywhipped countries are more humane countries, we are all pussywhipped, and the ME is not. That is why they trail in humanitarian rights and produce radicals of an extremely violent and destructive nature.
It is basically a race to see if we can pussywhip the ME as we ourselves have been pussywhipped, before we are too pussywhipped to do it.
Yes some of the women will get spoiled and turn meaner, in some ways meaner than any man could ever hope to be, and there will no longer be control over them, and we will all be much better off for it. It is their right as human beings, and their voice is an important one when it comes to humanitarian type , as they are the nuturers and we are the killers.
I'm guessing you'll be wearing black for at least one day after his trial.
No you are the one that might as well be taking orders from him, and that's exactly what he wants you to think.
He is not in a cave because of your willingness to suck him off. He is probably quite willing to take you up on it just as soon as he gets out of his cave.
He is in a cave because he has zero desire to die at the hands of the US Military.
It's not that hard to see that their supply of willing suicide bombers declined severely to the point where they had to drug aind intimidate people into doing it.
Recruiting tool, my ass.
A 10,000 to 1 death ratio is not a recruiting tool for even the biggest of idiots.
9/11 is the recruiting tool, the victory over the Soviets was the recruiting tool, victories in Iraq and Afghanistan would be recruiting tools. The ty governments are the recruiting tool(aimed at us) Getting slaugthered is not, there are only so many people that have a ty enough life they are willing to do that.
Riight, and kicking the out Germany was a recruiting tool for Nazis. Dropping some atom bombs on Japan was a recruiting tool for feudal Japan.You and your kind have done Al Qaeda's recruiting for them. Probably for the next couple of generations. You justify their deluded theology for them, and prove to them what they've been saying about us all along is true. Nice work!
Seriously...you are so ing detatched from reality it is not even funny.
It's hilarious that you are lecturing someone on pretentiousness...when I want to be pretentious, I simply read your posts and take notes. If I want to OD on it I will read any extended dialogue between you and Marcus Bryant.When you pull things out of the air you always say you can demonstrate it but you never do. Don't get me wrong, fiat is fine by me. But you should drop the conceit that you've *shown* us anything. It's pretentious bull .
Well you know what? I am a high minded humanitarian, and my postion does not change, and has not changed for pretty much most of my time in this forum, it is a consistent position on nearly every subject. I am the most humane guy in the world, until it comes to wads. And there is a difference between being a humanitarian and a complete ing idiot.The pose of the high-minded humanitarian sooo does not suit you.
You make no sense with that statement. And my positions on holes are consistent, I think they are bad.Anyway, I thought you wanted to eliminate the holes of the earth, not alleviate them. In your morbid zeal to insult others you seem to have forgotten yourself somewhat. Intemperate rage can throw you off like that.
Well, you kill someone to eliminate the threat of them harming anyone else, not for revenge.Who suggested that? The death penalty may not satisfy you, but it would be the effective end of Major Hasan.
Since he is paralyzed I think it will be difficult for him to kill anyone again.
And I think he potentially could save lives and alleviate distrust with the right extraction methods applied to him.
And your gift for getting own by trolls( ty and good) is pretty much beyond compare. Hats off to ya Mr. Hole. You know I actually felt sorry for what happened to you with Spurms for a second. Till this ample reminder that it was deserved.Your gift for overstatement is truly impressive. Nice rant, whottt.
Last edited by whottt; 11-08-2009 at 01:30 AM.
death by torture works for me.
I think some people are gonna wish he'd already died...
Gay smack. The first refuge of idiots. You put yourself in the range of this forums other secret swishes gtown, jacksommerset and micca with analysis like this.
This is where your ignorance shows. Invading Muslim countries and killing Muslims creates an obligation of revenge that will never go away.
You make up and pretend you *know* something. That is the very definition of pretentious, It's not a lecture. It's a description.
And modest too.
You once said all the holes ought to be bombed out of existence. Now you pretend you want to lift them up. That doesn't go too well with your gospel of brutality and endless war, but whatever.
I didn't say anything about gays.
You are the one jumping to that conclusion. You are the one that considers the intent behind my comment as an insinuation you are gay. You are the one considers that to be an insult.
Oh...ok, well in that case guess what? Then I guess it's ok for us to invade any and all Muslim countries since they are at officially at war with us, not to mention engage in open warfare with any persons of Muslim faith anwhere if what you say is true. In fact, why even bother to invade. we have the capacity to blast most of them off planet and should probably do so to ensure our own survival if what you say is true.This is where your ignorance shows. Invading Muslim countries and killing Muslims creates an obligation of revenge that will never go away.
And if also what you say is true, then the immediate roundup and either expulsion and or extermination of all Muslims would be an act of self defense.
Assuming what you say is true...and you are the one that said it, not I.
In that case, I still say you sucking Usama off is a bad move. Probably better to kill him and anyone else inclined to agree with his views rather than blow them.
Ok.You make up and pretend you *know* something. That is the very definition of pretentious, It's not a lecture. It's a description.
Would you mind providing the link so I can see the context in which it was made and who I was making it to? I'm not doubting I said something like that, however I doubt very seriously the comment was as clear cut as that.And modest too.
You once said all the holes ought to be bombed out of existence.
I don't pretend , I'm not the guy that's been saying we should pull out of Iraq because they are savages for the last 6 years, that would be the more vocal liberals that say that. Nbadan and boutons(among others).Now you pretend you want to lift them up.
My gospel? You are the one that just claimed Muslims consider themselves to now be in an unending war with us, not I.That doesn't go too well with your gospel of brutality and endless war
Yes, whatever indeed...sucker of Usama's (and I'm not calling you gay btw).but whatever.
Let me rephrase that since your obvious phobia is preventing you from getting the primary intent behind that comment...
Yes what ever...heterosexual straight male who prefers sexual relations with women, not men, willing sucker of Usama's .
Does that make it a little more clear to you? If not let me know and I will rephrase it again.
Although after recent evidence it is likely he didn't do it for religon, it doesn't help that muslims have been gven a bad name by 9/11 terrorists etc.. and that this piece of commits this type of atrocity.
And I'm not against torturing him for the record.
He didn't.
anyone else see this yet?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...s_victims.html
really sad, and i was wrong before thinking they were all enlisted, 4 officers(reserve and active), 8 enlisted (including a pregnant sgt.).
CBS NewsA preliminary review of the computer of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused shooter in Thursday's rampage at Fort Hood in which 13 people were killed, has revealed no evidence of any connection to terror groups or conspirators, according to law enforcement officials.
K, but that wasn't something Dan said that was something CBS reported an official investigating said.
Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan Malik was a lifelong Muslim.As Sultan Knish notes:
"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife...
Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.
"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."
Faizul Khan is not just some Imam. He is on the board of directors of ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA's links to terrorist are extensive and well known.....The Islamic Society of North America is a Wahhabi Islamist group co-created by Sami Al Arian, of the Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Islamic Jihad.
Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz describes ISNA as "one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States."....Faizul Khan is not just a member, he's on the Board of Directors and held down a major Saudi funded mosque in Washington. Khan was also the Administrator and Assistant Director of Rabita, the Muslim World League.
According to terrorism expert Steven Emerson, ISNA "is a radical group hiding under a false veneer of moderation"; "convenes annual conferences where Islamist militants have been given a platform to incite violence and promote hatred" (for instance, al Qaeda supporter and PLO official Yusuf Al-Qaradhawi was invited to speak at an ISNA conference); has held fundraisers for terrorists (after Hamas leader Mousa Marzook was arrested and eventually deported in 1997, ISNA raised money for his defense); has condemned the U.S. government's post-9/11 seizure of Hamas' and Palestinian Islamic Jihad's financial assets; and publishes a bi-monthly magazine, Islamic Horizons, that "often champions militant Islamist doctrine."
Adds Emerson: "I think ISNA has been an umbrella, also a promoter of groups that have been involved in terrorism.....ISNA has sponsored extremists, racists, people who call for Jihad against the United States."
Emerson further reports that "In September 2002, a full year after the 9/11 attacks, speakers at ISNA's annual conference still refused to acknowledge Bin Laden's role in the terrorist attacks."
More leftist insanity.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...A4NTMxYjEzYjg=Was It a Terrorist Attack? [Jonah Goldberg]
Much of the chatter over the weekend was whether or not the Fort Hood shooting can be classified a "terrorist attack." It seems to me this reveals one of the shortcomings of the language of the war on terror. I know there are all sorts of legalistic definitions about what cons utes terrorism and what doesn't. But it seems to me a case could be made that this was, variously, an act of war, an act of treason, or a war crime, but not an act of terrorism.
Terrorism is, by conventional definition, an attack on civilians intended to strike fear in the non-military population in order to advance a political or ideological agenda. Hasan didn't attack civilians, he attacked uniformed members of the U.S. Army in advance of their deployment to the frontlines. It was an evil act, but was it an act of terrorism?
Ultimately, if we're going to call the violent acts of Jihadis "terrorism" wherever and whenever they occur, then I guess I'm fine with calling it terrorism. But I can't help but think this illuminates some blind spots in the way we think about these questions.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...lkMmI4ODIyNzQ=Re: Was It Terrorism? [Cliff May]
My two cents: The most widely accepted definition of a terrorist is someone who intentionally targets non-combatants with violence for political purposes. The shooter at Fort Hood, by contrast, was targeting uniformed combatants. In that sense, he was not a terrorist. So what was he? A traitor, a man who wore his country’s uniform, and killed his fellow countrymen in the service of his country’s enemies.
Is there a reason we no longer use the word “traitor”? Maybe it’s time to reintroduce it into our vocabulary?
There is this complicating factor: Soldiers acting as peace-keepers, e.g. the U.S. Marines in Beirut who were suicide-bombed by Hezbollah in 1983, are considered non-combatants. So attacking them does count as terrorism.
By contrast, the troops at Fort Hood had been (or were to be) fighting al-Qaeda and the Taliban. They were combatants, even if they were not on a conventional battlefield.
I think our working assumption has to be that what took place at Fort Hood was an act of treachery and asymmetrical warfare, an act — in the eyes of the perpetrator — of jihad on behalf of Islamist terrorists.
Looks like more misdirection from Brian Ross and ABC News
That is so bull ....it's a shame what has happened to ABC after Peter Jennings died...there would be no way in Hasan would have been giving military security clearances and sent back to Iraq if he was suspected of collaborating with a guy like Awalaki....ABC News and Brian Ross's agenda seems to be to paint Hasan as a terrorists...I'll let you think about the why....U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
Army knew suspected Fort Hood gunman had contact with al Qaeda recruiter.[/B]
According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan's contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.
In response, Hoekstra issued a do ent preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).
Hoekstra said he is "absolutely furious" that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan's attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.
"This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies—not the CIA—have the lead," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC News. " Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect."
Related
Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.
In a blog posting early Monday led "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hasan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."
Terrorism sells ads.
The Army is saying "Allahu Ahkbar" is speculation.
Impossible to know, but the Army will tell any lie to cover its ass and inflate itself.
75 suicides at Ft Hood this year through July. LOTS of non-Muslims are cracking up from the Repugs bull , bogus wars.
Again, you're a ing idiot..........you should really READ your "facts" before you post them on here.
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