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    my biggest hope, though, is that the light bulb comes on for at least one of them, blair or bonner. We need some interior d badly.
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    Dejuan Blair is extremely efficient and should probably get a few more minutes.
    Agreed, but the whistle is causing some problems.

    He played 19 minutes against the Raptors. He probably would have played 25-27 minutes except for the foul trouble. He picked up his 3rd with 3 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and his 5th with 9 minutes left in the game.

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    One thing I noticed about Dice in the game against the Raptors (arguably his best so far in a Spurs uniform):

    He gambled way too much and went for the steal several times when he should have been holding his position. I don't think this is good defense to begin with (funny enough, this gambling once was the reason Iverson was considered a good defender), but is especially bad when a big does it.

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    One thing I noticed about Dice in the game against the Raptors (arguably his best so far in a Spurs uniform):

    He gambled way too much and went for the steal several times when he should have been holding his position. I don't think this is good defense to begin with (funny enough, this gambling once was the reason Iverson was considered a good defender), but is especially bad when a big does it.
    great point. This, to me, is exactly the same reason that Blair is having trouble as a defender. With his deceptively long reach, it seems that he's pretty good at getting a hand on the ball when the defender puts the ball on the floor, so he creates turnovers. However, because he does this so often, he ends up being in a crouched position while attempting to steal and his assignment just rises up and shoots over him. In addition to that, he'll get a lot of calls against him. Although in the last game he was attempting to take a few charges, which are the hallmarks of a quality defender.

    You would think that with his standing reach, he should be a decent defender, and I think that's still the case. The guy is 20 years old and has lots of time to become a complete player. Under the tutelage of Coach Pop and veterans like Timmy, Ratliff and Dice to learn from, he should get better real soon, in my estimation. It's also cool to note that Timmy talks to Dejuan on the bench. I don't know what they talk about, but if Dejuan learns anything at all from Timmy, he'll be a better man for it.

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    sorry man, i don't know if I can take you serious after this.

    Also, right now, I don't know why you'd rather have Dice in than Bonner. He's only averaging 1 rebound per game more than Matt and his defense is just as bad. Again, I say right now.

    In addition, he's an older guy who's minutes need to be limited, same with Ratliff. Especially with Timmy and Tony out. Without those two, we're playing matador defense and high speed offense. Those guys probably shouldn't be running the floor all night at a George Hill-Jefferson-Manu-type of pace.

    So, to me, the answer is exactly what we're getting. Bonner getting most of the minutes with Dice and Blair averaging about the same minutes. That's the one thing I do disagree with, though. Dejuan Blair is extremely efficient and should probably get a few more minutes. Especially when they play small ball. , he's short enough to play PF and it'll still be considered small ball.

    My biggest hope, though, is that the light bulb comes on for at least one of them, Blair or Bonner. We need some interior D badly.
    Eh? Explain please. The statement you've cited as a reason to not take me seriously.....was simply a compliment to George Hill's ability to penetrate and dismantle the craptors defense, which he did pretty much at will all game long. The thing I was trying to say was that even though the refs were calling constant bumping fouls on raptor players it wasn't like he needed those calls or was getting bailed out by them.

    Funny, people say I'm overly critical but then I try to give a nice compliment and I get chastised for it.

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    One thing I noticed about Dice in the game against the Raptors (arguably his best so far in a Spurs uniform):

    He gambled way too much and went for the steal several times when he should have been holding his position. I don't think this is good defense to begin with (funny enough, this gambling once was the reason Iverson was considered a good defender), but is especially bad when a big does it.
    I think McDyess is just used to having bigs next to him that can erase mistakes (Wallace / Ben Wallace). He could gamble knowing these guys would be there to help out.

    Now he's got guys like Bonner or Blair who are of little help.

    I'm actually glad you recognized this. File it into the "Reasons why McDyess should start alongside Duncan" cabinet.

    Now, I know Duncan doesn't need the stress of having another big to provide help but its a calculated risk, hopefully Dice's gambling will pay off more than not.

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    Our defense sucks and it if it doesn't improve we're not winning anything.

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    I'm actually glad you recognized this. File it into the "Reasons why McDyess should start alongside Duncan" cabinet.
    Dude, this cabinet is already bursting at the seams.

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    What a difference a year makes.

    Spurs and Raptors are both top 5 offensive teams right now. I'd say they're even better offensively than teams like the Lakers and Nuggets.

    Defensively, I'm trying to figure out who is worse, the Raptors or the Spurs. And both are probably worse than the Grizzlies on defense.

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    Eh? Explain please. The statement you've cited as a reason to not take me seriously.....was simply a compliment to George Hill's ability to penetrate and dismantle the craptors defense, which he did pretty much at will all game long. The thing I was trying to say was that even though the refs were calling constant bumping fouls on raptor players it wasn't like he needed those calls or was getting bailed out by them.

    Funny, people say I'm overly critical but then I try to give a nice compliment and I get chastised for it.
    lol, I said that only because you used the word "Irregardless", which, contrary to popular opinion, is not really a word.

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    lol, I said that only because you used the word "Irregardless", which, contrary to popular opinion, is not really a word.
    Here we go again.......

    Don't call someone out unless you're absolutely sure chief.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

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    Here we go again.......

    Don't call someone out unless you're absolutely sure chief.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
    Yea, I've seen that before. It all started when people incorrectly used the word. Things get added to Webster's dictionary when they're used in print and media more than a couple of times. That's why you now have words like "vlog" and "frenemy" in Webster's. Just because it's in Webster's doesn't mean it's correct, only that a lot of people use it incorrectly and it's now been accepted.

    The funny thing is that your link says "Use regardless instead."

    The reason that it's improper is because you're already saying regardless. You're saying the exact same thing, so why put IR in front?
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    Chief.

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    I have yet to see any defense to base anything on. lol

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    Yea, I've seen that before. It all started when people incorrectly used the word. Things get added to Webster's dictionary when they're used in print and media more than a couple of times. That's why you now have words like "vlog" and "frenemy" in Webster's. Just because it's in Webster's doesn't mean it's correct, only that a lot of people use it incorrectly and it's now been accepted.
    I quote Websters:

    usage: Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

    But don't take Websters word for it:

    http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed...rdless?view=uk

    What now?

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    The funny thing is that your link says "Use regardless instead."

    The reason that it's improper is because you're already saying regardless. You're saying the exact same thing, so why put IR in front?
    You're straying from the point.....

    lol, I said that only because you used the word "Irregardless", which, contrary to popular opinion, is not really a word.
    Proper use was never the issue. I never stated that one should use it in lieu of regardless.

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    Our defense sucks and it if it doesn't improve we're not winning anything.
    Giving up 124 points to the raptors is nothing to smirk about. The only thing good about that game was the win and fortunately they played worse defense than us.

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    I quote Websters:

    usage: Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

    But don't take Websters word for it:

    http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed...rdless?view=uk

    What now?
    Lol, it's the same thing. Be honest with yourself instead of just trying to argue. Again, words get added all the time for the reasons stated above. Watch:

    Coach Pop continues to play Matt Bonner regardless of the outcome.

    Coach Pop continues to play Matt Bonner irregardless of the outcome.

    Again, be honest, you know which is correct. And again, the evidence you've presented even tells you to just use "regardless". I don't understand your stance. Of course it's a word, but it's only a word because people have thought it was a word. Get it? Frenemy wasn't a word, much like irregardless. However, since it's been used so much, NOW it is.

    Use whatever words you care to use, it's really none of my concern. Being honest with you, though, it's hard (for me!) to take someone seriously if they don't even realize what they're saying.

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    I don't understand your stance. Of course it's a word, but it's only a word because people have thought it was a word. Get it? Frenemy wasn't a word, much like irregardless. However, since it's been used so much, NOW it is.
    lol, I said that only because you used the word "Irregardless", which, contrary to popular opinion, is not really a word.
    Use whatever words you care to use, it's really none of my concern. Being honest with you, though, it's hard (for me!) to take someone seriously if they don't even realize what they're saying.
    I rest my case.

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    I rest my case.
    lol, ok prosecution.
    How about this.
    You say it's a word because it's in the online dictionaries.
    I say it's not a word because if not for the village idiot, it never would have made said online dictionaries.
    We're getting caught up in semantics here. I don't recognize it as a word regardless of what the dictionaries say, because "words" get added to the American dictionary every year. You are steadfast in your belief that it's a word because the dictionary says so. Fine, so be it. We agree to disagree on that. However, we will both continue to use regardless.

    Lol, this was fun, we should do it more often.

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    lol, ok prosecution.
    How about this.
    You say it's a word because it's in the online dictionaries.
    I say it's not a word because if not for the village idiot, it never would have made said online dictionaries.
    We're getting caught up in semantics here. I don't recognize it as a word regardless of what the dictionaries say, because "words" get added to the American dictionary every year. You are steadfast in your belief that it's a word because the dictionary says so. Fine, so be it. We agree to disagree on that. However, we will both continue to use regardless.

    Lol, this was fun, we should do it more often.

    Ah yes, you got it......

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    Mcdyess has been gambling on defense all season and losing. Until the last few plays last night he was getting burned going for those steals and was staying with the roll man too long and not rotating fast enough to the third option. But I think he'll get better the more playing time he gets.
    He did that his entire time in a Pistons uniform, and his defense deteriorated over the years. Since his surgeries he has simply lacked both the size and athleticism to be a very good defender.

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    What a difference a year makes.

    Spurs and Raptors are both top 5 offensive teams right now. I'd say they're even better offensively than teams like the Lakers and Nuggets.

    Defensively, I'm trying to figure out who is worse, the Raptors or the Spurs. And both are probably worse than the Grizzlies on defense.
    Have you been watching the games? The Spurs offense is no where near as good as the Lakers.

    The Spurs have been bad defensively, especially down low.

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    They really need to work on their transitional help on Defense. They have been burned over and over again on their rotations as well. I really want to see them improve. Even without Timmy, I'd like to see some real hustle and grit out there on the defensive end. We know they can shoot now let's see them play D.

    Too bad TD and TP are not playing as I would have loved some redemption.

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    It's impossible to judge based on stats right now, since that last game severely inflated both sides of the ball..we're ranked 2nd offensively right now, and 28th defensively..defense has definitely been horrible, while the offense has been good, but not great..we'll see how we look by mid-December, and if it's still nearly as bad as right now, it's definitely time to panic..

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