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that doesn't sound too good
Equation changes, Ginobili doesn't
Buck Harvey
His agent was talking earlier in the day, about how it was just a matter of waiting.
“We can't push it,” Herb Rudoy was saying. “When they are ready to talk, they will talk.”
So he waits, as does Manu Ginobili, as do the Spurs. And probably every night, the equation changes.
But something isn't changing, and that's Ginobili. He followed a 36-point game against Toronto with a more cautious game against Dallas, and the motivation had little to do with his pending free agency.
Anyone who knows him knows that.
There are other sides to this, and Dallas has one. Erick Dampier has another year left on a contract considerably stronger than his game, but he has to meet an incentive to trigger that final year. He has to average at least 30 minutes over 70 games, and that's unlikely to happen.
Surprise, then. After years of slogging around the league, Dampier grabbed 20 rebounds in Houston and is looking alive again. In NBA parlance, this is called “playing for a contract.”
Ginobili is not against earning a nice income. Last summer, when the Spurs traded for Richard Jefferson, he and Rudoy were both concerned with how the Spurs' economics might impact his future in San Antonio.
Their concern was shared with the Spurs. But the Spurs had their reasons to wait, given Ginobili's history.
What the Spurs did made sense. But it wouldn't have been a stretch for someone with Ginobili's record to feel slighted.
Hadn't he won three rings for the Spurs? Isn't he, by most measures, the most popular player in San Antonio? And didn't he agree to the current deal without leveraging another team against the Spurs?
Instead, there wasn't the hint of a Stephen Jackson pout. “I have a very mature client,” Rudoy said. “He just wants to go about his business.”
Ginobili has, and with the same emotions. Wednesday night, Ginobili picked up the 10th technical foul of his career, which isn't many. He also says two of them were later rescinded.
What's noteworthy is that three of them have come against Dallas. Is it something about the Mavericks?
“I think it is,” he said. “It's a rivalry, and it gets rough.”
This time, Ginobili gave Dirk Nowitzki a push, something he said he regretted. But Ginobili couldn't get as rough as he would have liked.
With his right hamstring tightening in the second half, he didn't drive. He ran the offense, trying to find holes in the Dallas zone. Jefferson, with 29 points, earned his salary.
“I don't want to miss any more games,” Ginobili said, smiling. “I'm a little paranoid.”
This is the biggest part of the contract equation. If there were any guarantees that he would remain healthy, the Spurs would sign him today.
This is a sticky negotiation for the Spurs, too. The Toronto game suggests Ginobili's package of skills remain, and a few moments against Dallas said the same.
He put together back-to-back 3-pointers in the second quarter when the Spurs began to pull away. And at the end of the half, with Jason Kidd pressuring, his 3-pointer fell as the buzzer sounded.
The Spurs know what this guy means to the franchise, and they know how the city would react if he leaves. Rudoy seems to understand the leverage he will have.
“If Manu becomes a free agent,” he said, “I will be getting phone calls on July 1. Of that I am certain.”
The Spurs can sign him anytime until then. So now everyone waits, and the same player who squeezes through painful cracks to make plays, who gambled with his future in Beijing and who likes winning will remain the same player.
that doesn't sound too good
Indeed, but I think Mrs. Ginobili can take care of that.
So what do you guys think of the size of his next contract?
2 year or 3 year deal worth around 8-10.5 milllion per year.
It'll be interesting to follow. Spurs aren't going to probably offer him much. If he can stay relatively healthy and make an impact like he has always done some teams will come after him and probably offer him more than the Spurs. It already sounds like his agent is ready to shop him around. I'm not sure Manu stays.
don't know if Manu is willing to accept a 50% clause for a 3rd year.
2012 is the crucial year for the Spurs future, but I don't think Manu will be happy if the Spurs just offer 2 years.
if he accepts a non guarantee clause for 2012-13, things could be handled easier for the Spurs.
because then they have a better chance for a total re start 2012, if Tim retires.
a contract of 8+8+8 (50% guarantee 2012-13) looks good IMO and should also look fair for Manu. I don't think he can get much more on the open market. he will be 33 and teams know his injury history.
(and no, I absolutely don't agree with all those guys who constantly claim he should take the MLE or GTFO. MLE would mean to low ball him and for sure lose him. several le contender will be will offer him such a contract, just to get his winning experience)
manu you had your chance for an extension
spurs told you you go talks stop
it was YOUR CALL
you played you will have to prove you are healthy
then you might get that extension with spurs
give his age and injury history Spurs shouldn't guarantee more than a 2 yr contract, somewhere around 10 mil a year.
they're already in the penalty, so do they just bite the bullet and do it? they can always trade him if they want to shed salary.
Hasn't Pop said a few time now that he will always remain a Spur? I bet he gets his extension before Christmas, and I bet it's for 3-4 years 8-10 million per range. Ginobili likes being compe ive, and their is no real guarantee the Spurs will be compe ive after that. And on the same note, there's no guarantee of Manu's health beyond that either.
I think both sides will be reasonable and fair, however the Spurs need to give PT to Hairston to see what they have in him. This could factor in the equation some where.
1st year 8 mill
2nd year 7.2 mill
3rd year non guaranteed 6 mill
that is what makes more sense to me...
One thing is for sure...money is the biggest test of loyalty. And in all fairness to both the team and Ginobili...they both have shown loyalty in the past.
His health will be the biggest issue. If he stays healthy (ankles to be specific) without any sign of problems he probably remains a Spur at about 8 mil per for 3.
I pray for his health. I would hate to see him finish his career anywhere else.
We need Manu. He can't leaveHe needs to finsish his career here with the Spurs.
I agree. It would break my heart, as well as the city's, to see him walk just to sign on with somebody else.We need Manu. He can't leave
I agree too. I really don't want to see him in other colors. I'm just afraid there will be some stupid team or bold owner (Cuban?) who offers insane money that Manu can't resist and we can't match. So lock him up well before July 1.We need Manu. He can't leave
Also, the tightening hamstring remark made me nervous. I popped a hamstring once, and while I didn't have a professional training staff helping me, I tell you it took two years until that thing felt right. Not two years until I could play sports again, but two years until it felt normal.
Lol, do you practice to write dumber and dumber takes every day?
Or crack is doing what it's supposed to?
3 yrs 27 million. See if you can give a smaller amount the first year to help us with the cap.
I think a 3 or 4 year deal. Front loaded. Team option for 3rd year. Player option on 4th
I think starting out at the 10-11 mil/yr. TO on yr 3 at like 7 mil and PO on year 4 at like 12 or something.
Not sure it can be done like that. But it might give a lower cap hold on the spurs when tim is off of the books and give him the option of a nice salary on the final year.
I can't see the Spurs going longer than 2. 2012 is the offseason where the Spurs have to start thinking about life after Duncan. They can't let a big cap number for Manu get in the way of that. 2yrs/$20 mil would be my guess.
Totally agree. TD, Manu, and Pop all leave after the 11-12 season.
I like to tell myself that in 2012 TD would agree to take a hometown discount and then signs a dirt cheap contract for a couple of years to "pass the torch" to some max contract free agent guy that we sign. But I know the homer factor is high with that thought.
Some things never change...
Talking like this about a guy who has already taken less money for the good of the team. I'm not even talking about the 3 championships he helped bring.
ppffff...
Manu's not going anywhere - rest assured.
Both sides will get something done.
Walking the line with Manu
By Jeff McDonald on Nov 12, 09 03:58 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
Following up on Buck Harvey's column this morning, found here: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...li_doesnt.html
The saga of a potential Manu Ginobili contract extension will be a running storyline throughout the season. Formal talks have not yet begun. Over the next few months, the Spurs will walk a narrow tightrope toward the negotiating table.
On the one hand, the Spurs don't want to jump the gun, give Ginobili a lucrative extension midway through the season and then have his ankle give out on him again. On the other, the Spurs don't want to dawdle and push a fully healthy Ginobili onto the open market.
Ginobili, for his part, understands the Spurs' position. He has access to his medical chart, too.
There's no telling what Ginobili, who will turn 33 before his current contract expires and has a well-do ented history of ankle injuries, would command during free agency. If he has a productive, injury-free season, it's almost certain his camp will field calls from other teams on July 1.
The Spurs can keep it from coming to that. They can sign him to a new deal at anytime. Timing, however, will be crucial. The Spurs will want to feel good that Ginobili feels good before they sidle up to the bargaining table.
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