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OBL has fully ripped the balls off America, and esp Repugs like the less Boner.
The Right's textbook "surrender to terrorists"
"We're too scared to have real trials in our country" is a level of cowardice unmatched in the world.
By Glenn Greenwald
Understanding and Combatting Terrorism, USMC Major S.M. Grass, 1989:
Terrorism is a psychological weapon and is directed to create a general climate of fear. As one definition cogently notes, "terror is a natural phenomenon, terrorism is the conscious exploitation of it." Terrorism utilizes violence to coerce governments and their people by inducing fear.William Josiger, Fear Factor: The Impact of Terrorism on Public Opinion in the United States and Great Britain, 2006:
At its heart terrorism is about fear. While terrorist attacks destroy, maim and kill, the intended audience for these attacks is almost always the whole body politic and the terrorist's goal is to strike fear into their hearts.GOP House Leader John Boehner, condemning Obama's decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to New York for trial, yesterday:
The Obama Administration’s irresponsible decision to prosecute the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks in New York City puts the interests of liberal special interest groups before the safety and security of the American people.This is literally true: the Right's reaction to yesterday's announcement -- we're too afraid to allow trials and due process in our country -- is the textbook definition of "surrendering to terrorists." It's the same fear they've been spewing for years. As always, the Right's tough-guy leaders wallow in a combination of pitiful fear and cynical manipulation of the fear of their followers. Indeed, it's hard to find any group of people on the globe who exude this sort of weakness and fear more than the American Right.
People in capitals all over the world have hosted trials of high-level terrorist suspects using their normal justice system. They didn't allow fear to drive them to build island-prisons or create special commissions to depart from their rules of justice. Spain held an open trial in Madrid for the individuals accused of that country's 2004 train bombings. The British put those accused of perpetrating the London subway bombings on trial right in their normal courthouse in London. Indonesia gave public trials using standard court procedures to the individuals who bombed a nightclub in Bali. India used a Mumbai courtroom to try the sole surviving terrorist who participated in the 2008 massacre of hundreds of residents. In Argentina, the Israelis captured Adolf Eichmann, one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals, and brought him to Jerusalem to stand trial for his crimes.
It's only America's Right that is too scared of the Terrorists -- or which exploits the fears of their followers -- to insist that no regular trials can be held and that "the safety and security of the American people" mean that we cannot even have them in our country to give them trials. As usual, it's the weakest and most frightened among us who rely on the most flamboyant, theatrical displays of "strength" and "courage" to hide what they really are. Then again, this is the same political movement whose "leaders" -- people like John Cornyn and Pat Roberts -- cowardly insisted that we must ignore the Cons ution in order to stay alive: the exact an hesis of the core value on which the nation was founded. Given that, it's hardly surprising that they exude a level of fear of Terrorists that is unmatched virtually anywhere in the world. It is, however, noteworthy that the position they advocate -- it's too scary to have normal trials in our country of Terrorists -- is as pure a surrender to the Terrorists as it gets.
OBL has fully ripped the balls off America, and esp Repugs like the less Boner.
Wow, very well said. And yes, John Cornyn is a coward.
Well, at least the cases are moving through the courts. We could eventually regrow our spines. And our brains.
Do you always have to be so vulgar and insulting, b_d? You're getting to be like the lefty version of micca around here.
You guys are hilarious.
OBL and the rest of Islamic extremist don't give a wether we have fair trials in this country or not.
They hate us because of our indulgence to vices and our cultural liberalism.
It's only u who think this is a battle to see whether you will cave in on issuing civilian trials or not. It seems like the liberals are fighting within themselves over this.
OBL could give a if we hung any of his underlings.
oh, we'll hang'em.
our way.
OBL said he hit WTC because the US imperial, oil-protecting military boots occupied and defiled his sacred Saudi Arabian soil after the Gulf War.
"our indulgence to vices and our cultural liberalism."
sounds like you disapprove as much as you think OBL does.
It's good to know our Cons utional rights pass to, not just non-Americans, but the armies we are at war with. What an Utopia idea.
Do you really think we're giving them a fair and impartial trial under the 6th Amendment by trying them in a New York City district court?
What will be interesting is if their attorneys move for change of venue due to presumed prejudice from pretrial publicity.
Its not about them.
WHere does the right to civilian courts come in?
We're not fighting a war against them?
Are you against exposing them to the hazards of criminal justice?
Aren't they still criminals?
Thats not a fact ignored in the OP and the conclusion is the same.
KSH didn't ask to be there. We decided to prosecute him. We have the right to, and since we have the alleged perp, we also have the power to.
You got a problem with that, gtown?
Wasn't this an act of war?
I know, we did it on our own so we can pat ourselves on the back for being above the frey.Brownie for all of us!
The death penalty is ruled in to start with. No brownie points for that?
Since you're all about them! Sure!
No. It was a crime. Declaring it an act of war is political rhetoric as there was no nation that attacked us.
You may discount them all you want, but standards of this sort are important.I know, we did it on our own so we can pat ourselves on the back for being above the frey.
So u agree w/ me that Al QUeda should recieve no protection from the Geneva Convention regarding rules of "war"?
Of course not. The underlying reasons why those protections are in place are what is important here.
The greenman is right, those s can't get a fair trial, so we may as well save the expense, and throw their asses off the empire state building.
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