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Come on Valero buy the Spurs! Totally agree with HH's take.
Iverson is only dedicated to Iverson. He did well in Denver because he was never asked to sacrifice for the team. He could do what he wanted. Any time he CAN'T do what he wants in terms of touches or shots, he throws a ing fit and leaves the team.
Come on Valero buy the Spurs! Totally agree with HH's take.
He only did that in Detroit and Memphis. No one knows what came over him, but he did not quit on the team in Detroit. The team quit on him and showed complete disinterest with winning and were preparing for a complete rebuild. Rasheed Wallace was chucking threes, Rip felt pissed Billups left and all broke loose.
I'm all for Okafor if you can get him in a Jefferson-esque salary dump, but you're crazy if you don't think a Duncan/West tandem wouldn't be killer for the Spurs; that's from a purely basketball-standpoint.
West is along the lines of 'Dyess defensively in the post and he might be the best post-player in the league off the dribble. He stretches the defense so that you can keep the middle open but he's solid in the post; he gets to the line and he makes his free-throws; he's a solid rebounder and he would take significant pressure off of Tim offensively -- not to mention he'd be a of a compliment to Tony and RJ.
There's a knucklehead factor that you'd have to consider (which is maybe why you think Okafor >>>>>>>>>>>> West) and the contract is definitely a concern, but if you paired Duncan and West against the Lakers?
He is not a great rebounder, but solid. Having him and Dice would be redundant offensively. Dice spaces the floor just as well with his jumper. He does not get to the line like West, but he is a better rebounder. I completely disagree that West is any where close to Dice defensively in the post or anywhere for that matter. David West is a poor defender for the most part (whether that is an effort thing or ability thing).I'm all for Okafor if you can get him in a Jefferson-esque salary dump, but you're crazy if you don't think a Duncan/West tandem wouldn't be killer for the Spurs; that's from a purely basketball-standpoint.
West is along the lines of 'Dyess defensively in the post and he might be the best post-player in the league off the dribble. He stretches the defense so that you can keep the middle open but he's solid in the post; he gets to the line and he makes his free-throws; he's a solid rebounder and he would take significant pressure off of Tim offensively -- not to mention he'd be a of a compliment to Tony and RJ.
There's a knucklehead factor that you'd have to consider (which is maybe why you think Okafor >>>>>>>>>>>> West) and the contract is definitely a concern, but if you paired Duncan and West against the Lakers?
I think Okafor is better in the post than West (something the Spurs need), he is certainly a better post defender and would add something completely different to the team. This is the main reason I think Okafor is better for the Spurs. If McDyess could not spread the floor, then maybe West would be better, but Dice's mid-range game has been automatic, even if he can't create for himself as good as West.
i really cant see the hornets selling okafor off for simple expirings. just seems like such an odd move. im guessing more fabrication than rumor.
but if its true, from a basketball standpoint, you would be stupid to not put together a package for him. hes still a relatively young big who has some talents on both ends of the court.
that said, every other contender would also be putting together a package for him. so please, before we get anymore fan proposals, ask yourself if someone like cleveland or dallas or someone else could put together a better package than you are suggesting. if so, go back to the drawing board and try again.
Last edited by ss1986v2; 11-14-2009 at 09:49 PM.
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If nothing else, the Spurs could trade him after Tim retires. That would give him 2 years left on the contract, which isn't too long for a team in need of a difference-making bigman in the post-Duncan era of the NBA.
there we go get some easy looks
I don't think West brings the consistency defensively in the post during the course of the season like 'Dyess but I've seen enough of him when his compe ive juices are flowin' in the postseason to know he's more than capable; 'Dyess' post defense is probably over-rated on this board and West isn't given enough credit.
And I don't think you look at West and 'Dyess as an either/or. 'Dyess is 35 and would be better suited coming off the bench like he did in Detroit. You can limit his minutes and make sure he's fresh when it really counts.
As for a comparison between Okafor and West in the post offensively, I'd like West's game more alongside Duncan than Okafor's. West is a more skilled and fluid offensive player as opposed to the more methodical Okafor; similar to Tim and dubbed I-Robot because of it. I think the offense would run a lot more efficiently with West. Tim and Oak would lead to the ball sticking more and probably a higher turnover-rate, while Tim and West gives you the ability to post both players and keep the lane open for the slashers.
Defensively, at least in the half court, there's no comparison between the two. Okafor's one of the most under-rated front-court defenders in the league. Their rebounding would be dominant on both ends and the rim-protection would be unreal; as long as Tim and Oak were capable of negating any speed disadvantage they'd have against quicker lineups.
Like I said before, if Oak's the one available and you can acquire him for what's been mentioned, it'd be a no-brainer. I just disagree that a West-Duncan tandem wouldn't be a of a fit on the court.
Sorry it took so long. The game got in the way of my reply.
You Spurs fans are hilarious!
If the Hornets are seriously considering a trade, if they're smart, they would unload David West to Sac-Town for Kenny Thomas.
Why would they dump Okafor so very early into his new stint with the team? Unless, of course, it has become obvious that he doesn't work for that team. If the Hornets do deal Okafor, they will be admitting something that most of us already know - getting rid of Tyson Chandler, who was CP3's best alley-oop running mate, made absolutely no sense in the first place.
I agree with the West part. However, getting rid of Chandler is not generally considered a bad move.
Well, considering how the Hornets aren't getting any point production out of the 2/3 spot and how they're still having to work so very hard for any semblance of offense, they could've continued milking their bread-n-butter: the pick-n-roll. Having Chandler would've greatly helped that. Okafor is more of a pick-n-pop, kind of player. Just sayin'
unload West, keep Okafor
I agree to a certain extent and I was not trying to say Okafor >>>>>>>>>>>>West for the Spurs because Okafor is that much better. It was based of what I perceive to be the Spurs biggest need: interior defense.I don't think West brings the consistency defensively in the post during the course of the season like 'Dyess but I've seen enough of him when his compe ive juices are flowin' in the postseason to know he's more than capable; 'Dyess' post defense is probably over-rated on this board and West isn't given enough credit.
And I don't think you look at West and 'Dyess as an either/or. 'Dyess is 35 and would be better suited coming off the bench like he did in Detroit. You can limit his minutes and make sure he's fresh when it really counts.
As for a comparison between Okafor and West in the post offensively, I'd like West's game more alongside Duncan than Okafor's. West is a more skilled and fluid offensive player as opposed to the more methodical Okafor; similar to Tim and dubbed I-Robot because of it. I think the offense would run a lot more efficiently with West. Tim and Oak would lead to the ball sticking more and probably a higher turnover-rate, while Tim and West gives you the ability to post both players and keep the lane open for the slashers.
Defensively, at least in the half court, there's no comparison between the two. Okafor's one of the most under-rated front-court defenders in the league. Their rebounding would be dominant on both ends and the rim-protection would be unreal; as long as Tim and Oak were capable of negating any speed disadvantage they'd have against quicker lineups.
Like I said before, if Oak's the one available and you can acquire him for what's been mentioned, it'd be a no-brainer. I just disagree that a West-Duncan tandem wouldn't be a of a fit on the court.
Sorry it took so long. The game got in the way of my reply.
West would fit nice, but I just disagree about his defense, even when motivated. That seems to be the disconnect. At this point, the reason I said Okafor>>>>>West for the Spurs, is strictly for the defensive side of the equation.
Bonner, Mason, Finley for Okafor, Devin Brown
*Finley come back after 30 days
Roster:
Parker/Hill/Devin Brown
Bogans/Manu/Hairston
Jefferson/Finley/Haislip
Duncan/Blair/Mahinmi
Okafor/McDyess/Ratliff
I love David West, but some of these comments are just not true.I'm all for Okafor if you can get him in a Jefferson-esque salary dump, but you're crazy if you don't think a Duncan/West tandem wouldn't be killer for the Spurs; that's from a purely basketball-standpoint.
West is along the lines of 'Dyess defensively in the post and he might be the best post-player in the league off the dribble. He stretches the defense so that you can keep the middle open but he's solid in the post; he gets to the line and he makes his free-throws; he's a solid rebounder and he would take significant pressure off of Tim offensively -- not to mention he'd be a of a compliment to Tony and RJ.
There's a knucklehead factor that you'd have to consider (which is maybe why you think Okafor >>>>>>>>>>>> West) and the contract is definitely a concern, but if you paired Duncan and West against the Lakers?
West has struggled as a rebounder for years. Hes definitely not "solid" but more likely simply "acceptable" as a rebounder. Hardly anything to write home about.
West plays matador defense these days. He has a definite mean streak and degree of physicality to his game...when he wants it. But I haven't seen him that motivated in a while.
His offense is quite simply sensational though. He can really do some good things on that end of the floor. But we have a lot of guys that can take and make shots now. I'd like to get a guy like Richard Jefferson more involved in the offense and bring in a defensive anchor like Okafor first.
I understand where you're coming from and I wasn't trying to imply West was some kind of potential All-Defensive Team member; just that he's a strong guy, who moves his feet well, and has a good compe ive-fire that makes him more than capable.
The thing I worry about with Oak though is, I wonder if at this day and time you could get by consistently playing him alongside Tim. Tim's mobility isn't what it used to be and neither of them are guys you want straying from the basket. With the way the league is now, and if you're going to play with two shot-blockers, their skills have to either really mesh offensively to exploit the opponent or defensively to shutdown the opponent. Plus, the twin-tower look the Spurs modeled their first championship formula after didn't have to deal with the ridiculous rules changes defensively and were able to play a low-point ground-it-out affair because of it; those days are long and gone with the athleticism you now see in front court's across the league and the hand-checking rules on the perimeter.
And that's to say nothing of the personnel the Spurs have on this team. Maybe you solve the rim-protecting problem but you could be giving yourself a whole new set of problems offensively with the congestion in the paint; hard to have a score-first point guard, without a 3-point shot, that lives in the paint and a slashing 3-man in RJ thrive that way.. and that's to say nothing of Manu who's at heart a slasher himself.
The dual shot-blocker threat would be great; it's just got to be the right fit for the personnel and times we're currently in.
I want nothing to do with DWest being a spur. He is good cause of Cp3 just like RJ was good with JKidd. He is also a cheapshot and a hothead.
As far as the Okafor trade idea...I'm all in. I think it would be a fabulous idea. I don't like the potential inclusion of Splitter as an idea...but if Okafor is on this team I don't know how interested he'd be anyways with virtually no chance of starting. Still, a frontcourt of Duncan/Okafor/McDyess/Blair would be amazing.
I really dont care who we get. As long as the constant layup drill by opponents stop. Even when Oberto was here as the 2nd bigman with Tim, teams didnt get layups allday. He couldnt block shots but he was in position to take a charge or to alter driving lanes by just being present. Now guys are breaking us down 1 on 1 and getting to the cup. Even Tim is getting taken to school more often. We need another big guy, but after that its up to the team defense concept to make us the defensive force we were a few seasons ago.
Interesting.. if all it took were expiring contracts then yea.
This isn't happening WAKE UP!
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