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    Tony has always had a scorer's mentality. In the past, it has fit the Spurs offense very well. However, with more scoring options on the floor we are seeing Tony's limitations ... he isn't a distributor.

    I blame Pop more, though. This is the type of coach who can take 5 above-average defensive players and make an all-world defensive unit out of them. But give him 4 or 5 very good offensive players and he can't get them to play productively.
    Exactly. Pop and Tp need to make more adjustments than anyone with this new team.

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    Tony has always had a scorer's mentality. In the past, it has fit the Spurs offense very well. However, with more scoring options on the floor we are seeing Tony's limitations ... he isn't a distributor.

    I blame Pop more, though. This is the type of coach who can take 5 above-average defensive players and make an all-world defensive unit out of them. But give him 4 or 5 very good offensive players and he can't get them to play productively.
    spurs start slow every season
    new players
    give pop more then 8 games

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    tony hasn't played well all season. if he needs to rest, rest him. the spurs can't win with tony playing like this.

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    I'm not really talking about Tony's passing though..he obviously isn't a passer, but I'm just talking about his scoring, which is usually very reliable..

    He's usually very explosive and manages to finish at the basket in unbelievable ways..I haven't seen that at all so far this season, and it looks like the Summer took a toll on his body..he's not blowing by defenders like we're accustomed to seeing from him, and that's going to be necessary for this team succeed..

    Everybody on the team seems to want Tony to be the clear #1 option..if he isn't making those plays, we're screwed, since he's a shoot-first PG..I don't mind his style at all, but it's concerning if he isn't going to have the same first-step..

    He should have been held out a little longer IMO, and rest his body up a little more..

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    Exactly. Pop and Tp need to make the most adjustments with this new team.
    they should
    I have faith they will

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    so is it just me, or has he lacked his usual explosion this year?..pretty clear IMO..

    I'm not basing it on this game, I've been saying it since the start..
    Agree, TP didn't play one game this season with the aggressive and explosion he had in the past 4 years

    Even before the injury he was like that.

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    Tony and RMJ have been the biggest disappointments of the season.

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    He's usually very explosive and manages to finish at the basket in unbelievable ways..I haven't seen that at all so far this season, and it looks like the Summer took a toll on his body..

    He should have been held out a little longer IMO, and rest his body up a little more..
    That's bullsh*t. Parker's fine, it'll be like this until all these excellent offensive options mesh together

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    tony puts up 17 points 5 assist and 5 rebounds
    manu goes 0-8 and does not get any blame for the loss tonight
    and pop throws strange lineups up
    and tp is trying to get everyone involved in the o
    Please!!

    Manu 6 asist in 18 Min.
    Tony 5 asist in 32 Min.

    Manu 7 Points in 8 Atemps.
    Tony 17 Points in 18.

    Spurs with Tony 2-4.
    Spurs Without Tony 2-0.

    I like the spurs of Manu and Jefferson, pop should let these guys run the ofense.
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    I'm not really talking about Tony's passing though..he obviously isn't a passer, but I'm just talking about his scoring, which is usually very reliable..

    He's usually very explosive and manages to finish at the basket in unbelievable ways..I haven't seen that at all so far this season, and it looks like the Summer took a toll on his body..

    He should have been held out a little longer IMO, and rest his body up a little more..
    Completely agree ... hold him out till he's back to 100%. If we're gonna lose anyway I'd rather see RJ, Hill and Dice get more burn and get comfortable in the process.

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    Completely agree ... hold him out till he's back to 100%. If we're gonna lose anyway I'd rather see RJ, Hill and Dice get more burn and get comfortable in the process.
    Sitting Parker will only setback any type of chemistry these guys need out there.

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    i don't completely agree with pop giving tony full reigns on offense. he kinda needs to really get other players involved. i think motion offense would be better for the team. esp since tony is a scorer. not the typical pg who can really get everyone involved all the time. when tony is dominant on offense, it seems like other players rarely get involved. there has to be some sort of balance.

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    i personally think that moving the ball around can be more effective. and it gives us more options.

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    You can all blame TP for whatever you want. There won't a fifth ring without tony being tony, so the bench tony ideas or trade him for whatever scrubs... The team and tony need to adjust, for that he needs to play even if it costs some wins at the beginning of the season. During all his career with a spur jersey Tony has never let down the team, he has always delivered, he will adjust, give him some time to do so.

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    I think the big issue is TP physical condition right now

    He far from 100%, that's why we're in trouble on offence and especially on D, PG are killing him; we all know TP doesn't start the season playing good D but he's terrible so far.

    I hope he can back in shape soon

    And bench TP is not a good idea

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    Calm down. No one is blaming Tony for the loss... just questioning his lack of explosion.

    Oh and Manu is obviously hurt, or he'd be in this game down the stretch.
    Do you guys remember Manu saying that he tweaked his hamstring last game. He said he didn't drive it much in the second half of the Dallas game because as a precaution. You think he's made it worse?

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    Tony has always had a scorer's mentality. In the past, it has fit the Spurs offense very well. However, with more scoring options on the floor we are seeing Tony's limitations ... he isn't a distributor.

    I blame Pop more, though. This is the type of coach who can take 5 above-average defensive players and make an all-world defensive unit out of them. But give him 4 or 5 very good offensive players and he can't get them to play productively.
    This. More than a few times tonight I noticed Tony creating a harder shot near the rim versus if he had kicked it out or passed to a trailer on the break.

    Hopefully he can adjust his game. Tonight he looked a lot like 2003-2004 Parker.

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    I think the big issue is TP physical condition right now

    He far from 100%, that's why we're in trouble on offence and especially on D, PG are killing him; we all know TP doesn't start the season playing good D but he's terrible so far.

    I hope he can back in shape soon

    And bench TP is not a good idea
    Parker is not OUT OF SHAPE... his body is WORN DOWN

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    i personally think that moving the ball around can be more effective. and it gives us more options.
    thanks, basketball genius

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    I think the big issue is TP physical condition right now

    He far from 100%, that's why we're in trouble on offence and especially on D, PG are killing him; we all know TP doesn't start the season playing good D but he's terrible so far.

    I hope he can back in shape soon

    And bench TP is not a good idea
    I wanted to bench Tony for a few games because of his physical condition, not because of his piss poor play. He looks totally out of shape or gassed that is the reason I wanted to bench him and bring him back slowly for a few games.

    If he was looking great physically and still playing like then I would have been OK with starting him. He just looks really bad and since last season I've been saying his defense sucks.

    Well right now his defense is at an all time low. Everyone is abusing him on that end of the floor. Kinda like Steve Nash.

    The way Tony is playing right now is like Stephon Marbury. If Tony is going to be this bad on defense I would take Nash over him. That is how bad he has been. He looks gassed and it's the start of the season.

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    Jennings went off tonight. 55/5/5
    Parker did the same thing last year. Who wouldn't say no to that trade?

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    and tp is trying to get everyone involved in the o
    Did you watch the game? If you did, you just couldn't say that with a straight face.

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    Tony and RMJ have been the biggest disappointments of the season.
    For me RMJ is not a disappointment

    He's been playing like since last season All Star break

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    Thank you french national team!!!

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    Tony and Jefferson are most effective in the same spots.

    It's not easy for both of them to find a way to be effective while not hindering the other guy. It will take a few months for them to adjust; if it's even possible.

    I suspect Pop's either gonna give them time to work it out for a few months and eat some losses or he's gonna shake up the starting lineup.

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