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This is how I feel. You would think the our actual Coach would think the same way
this and as others have said need to get RJ go to his traditonal style of moving without the ball instead of Pops usual SF of spot up shooting.
This is how I feel. You would think the our actual Coach would think the same way
LOL do not rip me for this, but I will mention SJax again. I agree with most of what you said and I think if we get SJax I would start him with TP and Hill. Hill works well with either Manu or Tony. So far Tony doesn't work well with RJ at all. They might be better with a shooter like SJax. I think since SJax is more of a shooter and is a slightly better defender than RJ he would work better in the starting 5. Then you can have Manu and RJ off of the bench who seem to work brilliantly together.
Starting 5
Tim
Antonio
SJax
Hill
Parker
Bench
RJ
Manu
Bonner
Blair
Bogans
No. The spurs did look better with hill running the team the last 2 games but my trust is in parker. Parker is just in a slump and he needs something to snap his ass out of it. Like I said.. he's struggling more defensively than anything else.
You mean Ginobili right?
I agree. TP will be fine, he's just getting his wind back and sloughing the rust. It's not like he suddenly lost an arm and the ability to play basketball or something!
Are you saying that the spurs looked better with manu running the team or that manu is struggling? Or neither?
Hill was tough against Kobe. When Kobe hit that three if Hill's face it did not faze Hill at all. He played air tight defense on that shot and it was just a great, great shot from Kobe.
You could actually say both after that game but while Hill did start at PG he wasn't the primary ball handler for long stretches Manu and even RJ to an extent were the playmakers as Hill played offball which is why I agree with Hill starting at the 2.Are you saying that the spurs looked better with manu running the team or that manu is struggling? Or neither?
When Parker goes out Manu comes in where he and Hill can share the ball handling.
I'm not in to this idea. Hill is finally learnng to be a point guard. I don't like the idea of trying to turn him back into a shooting guard. If Tony can learn how to get RJ involved in the beginning of the game we can live with Bogans starting, assuming he continues to play solid defense. An eventual 2nd unit of Manu, Blair, and Hill should be the goal, as well as getting Dice into the starting lineup. Starting Hill could create more long term problems because then we'd have another scorer into the starting lineup who takes away even more points from RJ, which was the main problem tonight.
Bottom line: Tony needs to adjust as the leader on the court, especially if Pop gave him additional responsibility this year. If Tony doesn't adjust then Pop needs to make it happen.
Yeah, and bench Manu and start Bogans too... oh, wait.
I have nothing against parker and hill both starting. This early in the season pop has to experiment and find out what works best. The only players I do not want to start again are finley and bonner. As for hill, manu, and rj all handling the ball and making plays thats what pop has to continue doing. Him going back to only parker and duncan making plays is not working anymore. All 5 players on the floor have to be involved somehow.
This is my opinion but I don't think Hill will ever be a great PG but he will be a great combo guard and be able to be the PG for short stretches when needed. Hes great at moving without the ball and plays with lots of energy which is why I think he plays better offball with Tony or Manu.
Hill is better with Manu because they actually complement each other. They both play with intensity and Manu's passing offsets Hill's lack of. I don't see any synergy between Tony and Hill.
Really not a bad idea, especially since I think Hill can play major minutes and it will only help his game. Have Hill play all the 1st quarter and rest Tony at the 3 or 4 minute mark. Then bring him back and have Hill sit and then play them both the last 6 minutes of the 1st half. As far as Jefferson is concerned I think he got plenty of touches he just never took shots, if that was by design I don't know, but I thought Jefferson passed up a lot of good looks letting other guys take shots especiallly iwtht he clock running down.
Maybe RJ isn't a jump shooter or has enough confidence in his shot.
I only got to start watching from halfway through the second quarter and League Pass Broadband was not showing the game until then.
I am all for Hill starting BTW.
I like this idea from Kori. I just didn't know if he would be tall enough to cover the SGs, but I think he can with his wingspan. Looks like Pop agrees with Kori and likes both TP and Hill out there together.
Bogans is probably not as good as he's looked the last few games. Hill is going to be a lot better and bring it more consistently IMO. I also thought TP should have gotten Hill a lot more looks at the end on those corner 3 pointers. George Hill seems to have worked his ass off on that shot and should be a great fit with TP if he can keep nailing those shots. TP was able to get the ball to Bruce for those shots all the time. That should work the same with Hill.
Last edited by Ice009; 11-15-2009 at 01:43 AM.
yeah because a sop re player is so much better than a 3 time champion PG with a finals MVP who is in his prime.
look at the big picture before making cases for ideas that clearly points out your high intellect.
RJ's never been a good shooter, very streaky. He's more of a slasher than a shooter. And we saw tonight why Pop has started Bonner instead of Blair with RJ.
Starting Hill and Parker together would be great but that leaves the bench with no PG.
My guess is Pop sends RJ to the bench and if health allows him to, bring in Manu as starting SF.
Off the bench you'd have a pretty good bench mob. The starting unit can run the Spurs offense which Manu knows well. The bench can be mini-Suns...run and gun while playing to RJ's transition and slashing game.
Hill-PG
RMJ-SG
RJ SF
Dice/Bonner/Ratliff - PF/C
Last edited by Allanon; 11-15-2009 at 03:17 AM.
i agree, parker need to pick up his defense, it can't go on like this, maybe benching him for couple of games is the only solution to make him understand that.
i don't think you understand.
if SA is like this in June, I completely agree with you. but it's not. parker has never been good at defense anyways. that's not never been his thing, and never will be.
SA has team defense. individual-defense only stood out because bowen and TD being great examples of that. mostly everyone else was a decent, and more recently, poor.
the spurs in 03 to 07 were suffocating in the 2nd half of the season. they also suffocated defensively in the 2nd half of games more than the first half. especially in the 3rd quarter.
yes, we both want them to win, but please think things through. GH3 has not led a team through the playoffs where it matters. parker has. GH is a stud, but let's see how he does in the post-season.
this is like having practices for Pop right now. let's calm down now.
If Tony can't get other people involved then Pop needs to assume more control again calling plays. I think Hill is excellent as a backup. Our second unit gets a decent amount of minutes as it is, which is good as it gives rest to the vets. Moving Hill into the starting lineup will not get RJ more involved in the offense, which is what the issue is. This is something Tony the starting PG needs to work on. Tony, Tim , and RJ should be enough offense for the starting 3. This allows Manu and Hill to keep our momentum going with the subs. As such, Bogans complements them with defense. Before more random shuffling, I think Tony should adapt rather than have everyone adapt around him.
Amen and well-said.
I would rather start Bogans who has more size and better defense.
Of course hill has not led a team in the playoffs.. he hasn't been given the chance to. I think he could have been huge for the spurs last year in the playoffs if he was given alot more minutes.
I know it is very early in the season but the spurs need to figure out a way to play stronger defense. Last season it was horrible. The spurs already know what they're going to get out of parker, duncan, manu but these new players need the playing time to develop. So why would it matter now if pop started hill over parker? Hill needs the experience too. Whos to say that he can't become just as good or even better than parker? I dont really care if hill starts or not I just want him to get enough playing time and that goes for hairston too. They're young and hungry for a championship.. the spurs need that kind of energy so the older players can feed off of.
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