I don't know what it is, but they don't mesh well...
TP plays well when everybody stands around and he takes his defender of the dribble and he either shoots or dishes it... He in blows in a movement offense....
I understand it's early and shouldn't be jumping off a cliff but man, I hate going to Spurs games for entertainment and see a bunch of BS basketball...
The refs sucked too.
TP just needs to stop making shots harder for himself. There were a lot of cases where he had the option of passing for an easier look, but instead took it into the middle of traffic for a high degree of difficulty shot.
I'm hoping he can change his game, for the teams sake.
This has been my concern since the Spurs traded for RJ- he needs a different kind of PG to succeed.
This is why having all all-star at every position is useless. "Dream teams" are forced to make stars into role players and they get out of sync.
Someone needs to move to the bench or swap with Manu. We have too many options and its easier than changing our offensive schemes.
I don't think they mesh well either.
I don't agree about the Dream Team thing though. We could trade for SJax and I think he would fit into the starting lineup a lot better than RJ and play better with Parker as he is a bit better defender than RJ and also can spot up and shot the 3 from TP's passes.
RJ and Manu off the bench would work well too I think. They seem to play well together.
The season is young, we have new players, so they all have to get used to each other.
DOn't worry
It's early. Give them time...
But, yeah, we didn't get much from RJ or Manu tonight.
It's still so early guys.... and Tony just played his first game back from injury....
I prefer to not overreact and act like the world is ending becasue the Spurs lost to OKC. They did last year to...
exactly,, and we get knocked out the first round
It'll take a while for this team to mesh. We're gonna have nights where we don't play good and others where we play great. I'm not worried at all and I don't expect anyone to be traded unless its Michael Finley.
Dude, young teams have always been our bane, even in championship seasons. The Bucks were always whoopin our asses. If you really think that the Thunder would beat the Spurs in a seven game series in the playoffs, then you have reason to be so pessimistic. However, it's really not that big a deal. Young teams don't win championships.
Why do so many people forget that we all predicted these early season struggles? And how do so many people forget that we're a 2nd half of the season team?
RJ only 4 FGA
TP 18 FGA
Tony pass the ing ball, RJ should be the #1 option on offense.
You can switch Tony for RJ and you come up with the same...and that's the problem..two guys who play in the same space and neither is a deadly 3 point shooter. Defenses just back off them so it leaves even less room for them to slash.
"RJ plays well when everybody stands around and he takes his defender of the dribble and he either shoots or dishes."
If it's gonna work, TP's gonna have to stop stopping ball movement. I'll take TP's hogging with a short shot clock, but the ball's gotta swing early in every possession to get everyone going.
Having another Manu isnt a bad thing. Thats essentially Manu's game.
I don't think we've seen enough of RJ playing with TP to give a legitimate response.
The difference between Manu and RJ is that Manu's a deadly 3 point shooter. Although Manu's been a bit off lately, defenders still have to honor his 3. RJ's a decent transition shooter but really not a spot up shooter in a set offense.
Manu + Tony is perfectly fine because Manu stretches the D out to the 3 point line. If you watch guys defending RJ and Tony, they'd prefer to give them the 3 while they back off. With BOTH Tony and RJ's guy backing off, there's even less room for either of them to work in the paint where they're most effective.
Manu's also an excellent passer with excellent vision while both Tony and RJ are only decent playmakers. Tony is a better playmaker than RJ but that's still not saying much. Manu drives to score or make plays 60/40. Tony and RJ drive to score or make plays about 80/20.
With Manu, defenders basically have to butt hug him and still worry about getting taken off the dribble and then worry about him making a play for somebody else.
Last edited by Allanon; 11-15-2009 at 01:59 AM.
But he isn't another Manu. If he dribbles, he's headed straight for the rim (or contact), just like TP. Manu can see the floor like a point guard - something RJ has never been able to do. Tony, RJ and even Tim have all been ball-stoppers, so there's certainly work to be done if fluidity is gonna happen. I actually think it will, too, but it's gonna take a bit longer than some Spurs fans are willing to endure.
Tim, Manu & Tony are playing together since 2002... 7 years !
Jefferson... 3 weeks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you could wait one more week, i don't know... or 3 months.
Allanon pretty much summed it up perfectly..
It's going to be very tough for Jefferson and Parker to fit together..
Yeah I TOTALLY agree. In fact, I think it's Parker, Jefferson, AND the refs that can't play together. AND the opponent. I'm POSITIVE that if the the refs and the other team aren't on the court then Parker and Jefferson can share it!
lol Yep Allanon actually summed it up really well.
Give them time. Actually Parker is pretty suited to play with RJ because they both like to run and they both can finish. Parker hasn't played with many players that can run with him, so it will take time to adjust.
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