Sad To Say But Clearly Tim and Tony Are The Problems

[portnoy1]

RJ needs touches. Thats the bottom line, He is not an impact player like Manu who doesnt need the ball and can still be HIGHLY effective. Feeding him in the High post area or coming of screens should work for him. For that to happen Pop/TP have to call plays for the guy. Other than that he is a more expensive Bruce Bowen that can finish at the Rim. $14million is way to much for a Bowen 2.0

[ginobili fan]

Duncan and RJ actually had a good amount of plays together tonight..a lot of handoffs up top, and Duncan looked to get it to him after he'd get it in the high-post..it just wasn't there..Duncan played an efficient game tonight, and he wasn't stopping the ball, so there shouldn't be any criticism there..

It's not on Tony and Tim to adjust though, it's on the coach..

Jefferson's game isn't suited to be dribbling up top and getting by his man..that's not his game..he can do it once in a while, but that's not his style, and it's not efficient enough to be that of a #1 scorer..that's what he's doing in these bad games though..he's also becoming a spot-up shooter next to Tim and Tony..

Pop is the coach..he needs to mix it up..Jefferson's game is best suited when he catches the ball on the move to the basket, when he comes off screens for curls, when he catches it in the post..that's the adjustment he has to make..

Tony is a shoot-first PG, so it's not going to be easy to mix them together..Pop is one of the best though, so he'll get it..

But I'm tired to read people say Tony is shoot-first PG because he is.
I know he's a shoot first PG but this is just bull .
THis is just a name you put to players for the scouts or media.
I mean POP fashioned Tony in that way that doesn' mean he can't make good assists. We know he just love driving but we all know that he can make good plays to others.
It's just the system. the system and POP too.
I can't believe with all the talent he has he can't pass the damn ball!!!
Wake up Tp wake up Pop!!!

Besides I agree with you harlem

[weebo]

I've said this before. Pop needs to bring Parker off the bench and start Manu as the 2 gaurd and Hill at the point. Parker is a shoot first ask questions later point gaurd. He's great at what he does and would absolutely torch any second team he goes up against.

Starting Lineup:
TD-PF
Mcd-C
RJ-SF
Manu-SG
Hill-PG

Second Team:
Blair-PF
Bonner/Ratliff-C
Finely/Bogans-SF
Mason/Bogans-SG
Parker-PG

However, I don't know if Parker's ego would let him come off the bench. It's obvious this is the way Pop should go if he is serious about winning another le.

[Horse]

I'm not worrying till after the all-star break the new pieces just have to fit together.

[Doctor J]

I've said this before. Pop needs to bring Parker off the bench and start Manu as the 2 gaurd and Hill at the point. Parker is a shoot first ask questions later point gaurd. He's great at what he does and would absolutely torch any second team he goes up against.

Starting Lineup:
TD-PF
Mcd-C
RJ-SF
Manu-SG
Hill-PG

Second Team:
Blair-PF
Bonner/Ratliff-C
Finely/Bogans-SF
Mason/Bogans-SG
Parker-PG

However, I don't know if Parker's ego would let him come off the bench. It's obvious this is the way Pop should go if he is serious about winning another le.

Agreed!

I said the same thing few days ago.

And I suddenly became a crazy man here.

[ulosturedge]

We will just have to suffer until Parker finds his groove. If he continues to struggle then Pop will bench him.

I think the big difference is the ball movement and player motion was much better when Tim and Tony were out. When they are in there is alot more isolation plays and stationed plays with Tim working the post rather then a spread offense.

Pop is going to continue to let Parker do what he can to find his groove. And he should. You can't just throw away Parker. That would disrupt the team psyche. Yeah we are going to suffer until then, but something will give and we will move on from there.

Its too early to start panicking. Are you guys really that surprised we are struggling this early. Remember that Lakers roster that was decked with Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton. Just because you have alot of talent doesn't mean everything is just going to go off without a hitch.

[TJastal]

I've said this before. Pop needs to bring Parker off the bench and start Manu as the 2 gaurd and Hill at the point. Parker is a shoot first ask questions later point gaurd. He's great at what he does and would absolutely torch any second team he goes up against.

Starting Lineup:
TD-PF
Mcd-C
RJ-SF
Manu-SG
Hill-PG

Second Team:
Blair-PF
Bonner/Ratliff-C
Finely/Bogans-SF
Mason/Bogans-SG
Parker-PG

However, I don't know if Parker's ego would let him come off the bench. It's obvious this is the way Pop should go if he is serious about winning another le.

Nice thought, but you might as well forget it.. Popovich is just like the pathetic fanbois in this forum, he'd never dare mess with Parker's delicate ego. Maybe after another year or so of watching Parker's game morph into Iverson's (minus the defense) he might start to consider it. But that's a ways off yet.

[DAF86]

Agreed!

I said the same thing few days ago.

And I suddenly became a crazy man here.

Funny that the idea of Manu coming off the bench seems so rational and smart, but when somebody mentions the idea of Tony coming off the bench that person becomes a lunatic. It just shows you that people in here are either hypocrites, Pop apologists or just plain dumb.

However I don't think that benching Tony is the answer.

[timaios]

And all that after 1 game...
It's ridiculous.

[edgar]

The best solution would be to leave Tony and Tim in the starting lineup alongside michael finley, matt bonner, and and Roger Mason Jr. Then our second unit of George Hill, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Bogans and Antonio McDyess. Try this for a couple a days and see which unit gets you more games and better results overall. Clearly the 2nd unit will ALWAYS outperform the 1st one. And for all you stupidass fans who keep saying oh its just one game and its early..Wake the up! Its the Western ing Conference! Theres little room to experiment and s just cus pop cant realize that tim and tony should not take up too many shots when they are struggling. Tim was productive somewhat yesterday but its pathetic to see how we have to work for everything becuz we have to set up the ball for him all the time. You have Jefferson as a main weapon too you know..use him!

[callo1]

Wow, I seriously do not know where to start with this post. Tim and Tony are the "problems"?

Tim Duncan last night went 9-14 shooting, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, 22 points. I wonder how many teams in the league wish they had that "problem".

Tony had problems with the length of the Thunder, but still had a decent game putting up 17 points and 5 assists. Remember, Tony was out longer than Timmy, and plays floor general, it will take more time to get back in sync.

Play more Roger Mason over Finley?

Finley was playing good defense last night, as he has all year. Did you not see him denying his man the ball?

What is RMJ going to do, put up a quick three as soon as he enters the game from 25 feet?

RMJ is the worst defender on the roster...behind Bonner even. At least Bonner tries.

Does it really matter who is "consuming" the shots if they go in at a high rate like TD had last night?

Close to getting "team chemistry" going with one decent win against Dallas without Timmy and Tony and somehow that cons utes "chemistry"?

Ask and find out how many GMs would love to have the two "problems" of Tony and Timmy.

It might come down to having Manu start and RJ off the bench..

I can see that, as RJ, DB, and George Hill would be a nice backup unit, and Tony, Timmy, and Manu know each other best.

I agree with the poster that mentioned Manu on the bench in crunch time was wrong. Manu is like Horry was, he can go O'fer the entire night, but he needs to be in in a close game in crunch time.

I'm not worrying till after the all-star break the new pieces just have to fit together.

The voice of reason. Thanks Horse.
It will take time getting this team where it needs to be, don't be impatient.

Ps: Trade Mason and let Hairston get his minutes.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

I do agree that tim shouldnt be our main weapon anymore, pop is so damn hardheaded

[callo1]

The best solution would be to leave Tony and Tim in the starting lineup alongside michael finley, matt bonner, and and Roger Mason Jr. Then our second unit of George Hill, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Bogans and Antonio McDyess. Try this for a couple a days and see which unit gets you more games and better results overall. Clearly the 2nd unit will ALWAYS outperform the 1st one. And for all you stupidass fans who keep saying oh its just one game and its early..Wake the up! Its the Western ing Conference! Theres little room to experiment and s just cus pop cant realize that tim and tony should not take up too many shots when they are struggling. Tim was productive somewhat yesterday but its pathetic to see how we have to work for everything becuz we have to set up the ball for him all the time. You have Jefferson as a main weapon too you know..use him!

Wow, being such a nice guy is so hard to do with a posters like this

The best "solution" is to use the enter button every "know" and then so we don't have to read all this nonsense in the jumbled state you present it in.

Somehow everyone who doesn't agree with your insane, moronic posts are stupida*s fans?

There's this thing called proper English...try it some time,it works wonders for communication. If in need of help "becuz" of low I.Q. or something, create the post in Microsoft Word, let the software correct all of your jibberish, then post a coherent couple of paragraphs.

Thank you for your time.

[Dice]

I think people are forgetting that, for a long time, Tony and Tim WERE the offense. For years now everything has run through them with a couple of spot up shooters and Manu off the bench. That's the style of play they're used to and it's going to take a while to get that fixed.

It was clear last night that the guys like George Hill and Richard Jefferson were not getting the ball in the same places that they did in the previous games. Also, Tim didn't do as good of a job clearing out of the lane when guys were cutting in as the replacements did (sometimes it worked out, sometimes it cluttered the cutter). Tony took more shots than I would have liked but no more than he has been for many seasons now.

I also thought this game was just one the Spurs blew. Lots of inside shots that just didn't fall that would have been huge. And did anyone keep track of how many times the Spurs turned over the ball driving into the lane? Not to mention the Thunder had a player (see: Refs) that was able to get the team uncontested shots from the free throw line all night.

The only thing that really bothered me was the defense. When certain players are in, the Spurs play great team defense. I don't think I have to name any names.

Also agree with everyone that thought Manu should have been in at the end, regardless to how he'd played.

[TIMMYD!]

It's Tony's and Pop's fault.

[spursfan09]

BS. Tony is always the goat here when we lose.

[edgar]

CULO1 I mean CALO1 this one is for you. "STFU". Its called replying in txt mode you . Im on a cell phone

[callo1]

CULO1 I mean CALO1 this one is for you. "STFU". Its called replying in txt mode you . Im on a cell phone

No doubt, talking to Pop, RC, and all the other NBA head coaches and GMs about how they know nothing and how you can come in and fix any woes they may have.

I'm sure Pop is hanging on every word you speak, and will no doubt have Tim and Tony on the next plane ride out of San Antonio since they are the "problems".

[NBA Fanatic]

Tim and Tony are clearly the problem? That is funny, they return to the lineup for the first time in over a week and it is their fault that the Spurs lose a close game to a young, talented, and athletic team. Was it also their fault when they led the Spurs to their last two NBA Championships? The season is just beginning there is no need to panic or make rash judgements.

[edgar]

Not necessarly CuLo1 pop aint as easy to talk to cuz he is a hard head..but boy your mom was something else..she hangs at every word I say haha. If only pop was the same..ahh

[peskypesky]

this is why i made my thread a couple of weeks ago saying RJ should be the #1 option for the Spurs.

[ducks]

spurs won with tp and duncan being the option
so now they have rf
they should scrap that and make him the franchise?

[lennyalderette]

well we give credit to tony when he does good, but all of my friends saw how tony wouldnt give the damn ball up!! im serious bonner was wide open for a three to tie it and tony just ing had to take an off balance shot hoping for a 2pt foul? i mean i saw him neglect the out of r.j!! he straight up was not sharing that ball, people that didnt even know basketball were saying "why is tony being a ball hog" im telling you guys parker is jealous of hill and something is not right with him.

[ducks]

yeah booner is so clutch in 4 quarter NOT

[ATXSPUR]

Calm down. I don't see why people get so worked up over things happening in early November. It's a long way til April guys. , i'm still focusing on college football season right now. At least give the guys until after the all star break.