Guess who's #1 in the West

[exstatic]

Your Phoenix Suns. It's always nice to move up in the standings without even playing. Thanks Denver, for doing what the Suns failed to do.

Night all. I'm gonna go Maria.

Your right hand has a name?

Guess what month it is? If you answered "not June", you are correct.

[Xylus]

My point is that the only quality wins I see on your schedule are against Boston and Miami. In fact, let's look at the records today of the teams you've beat outside of them:

Los Angeles Clippers -- 3-7
Golden State Warriors -- 3-5
Minnesota Timberwolves -- 1-9
Washington Wizards -- 2-6
Philadelphia 76ers -- 4-5
New Orleans Hornets -- 3-7

In those six wins, the opposing them today is a combined total of 16-39 (.290). That's a pace for 24 wins through an 82-game season. The margin of victory in all the wins (including Boston and Miami) is +10.4. That's okay considering the quality of compe ion, but...

Let's look at the records of the teams you've lost to:

Los Angeles Lakers -- 7-2
Orlando Magic -- 7-3

That's 14-5 (.736). The margin of victory in the losses is -21.


Boston is the only game on the schedule that indicates they are a top-level team. So enjoy it while it lasts. By January, if they are lucky, they will be middle-of-the-pack.

What exactly is your point, man? I never said the Suns are as good as the Celtics, Lakers, or Magic. They've had 4 quality opponents thus far this season and have gone 2-2 against said opponents, which is pretty decent. They've also taken care of every sub-.500 team they've faced thus far, which is a sign of a good team. They aren't playing down to the compe ion.

But if you want to play this game, consider this:

-No team has played more games than the Suns.
-No team has played more road games or less games at home than the Suns.
-No team has played more back to backs.
-The Suns just played 7 games in 10 days, in 7 different cities, going 5-2 in that stretch.

The Suns' only two losses have come against the defending champs and their opponent in last year's finals. I'm okay with this.

[Xylus]

Your right hand has a name?

Guess what month it is? If you answered "not June", you are correct.

I think it's important to remember here that I'm still Xylus, not the Sasha Vujacic troll.

[da_suns_fan]

What exactly is your point, man? I never said the Suns are as good as the Celtics, Lakers, or Magic. They've had 4 quality opponents thus far this season and have gone 2-2 against said opponents, which is pretty decent. They've also taken care of every sub-.500 team they've faced thus far, which is a sign of a good team. They aren't playing down to the compe ion.

But if you want to play this game, consider this:

-No team has played more games than the Suns.
-No team has played more road games or less games at home than the Suns.
-No team has played more back to backs.
-The Suns just played 7 games in 10 days, in 7 different cities, going 5-2 in that stretch.

The Suns' only two losses have come against the defending champs and their opponent in last year's finals. I'm okay with this.

AND on the road AND on the second night of back to backs. Are we really expected to defend the Suns for losing two freaking games in those situations?

I'll take it!

[cobbler]

AND on the road AND on the second night of back to backs. Are we really expected to defend the Suns for losing two freaking games in those situations?

I'll take it!

Defend? no. Make pussy excuses? Of course... it's what you do best.

[Xylus]

So enjoy it while it lasts.

What do you think I'm doing?

Take the pillar out of your ass and lighten up.

[da_suns_fan]

Defend? no. Make pussy excuses? Of course... it's what you do best.

Of course, the Lakers didnt even HAVE any pussy excuses when they got hammered last night. Theyre just pussies.

[jag]

This thread was extremely harmless...and it's funny to see people taking offense to it.

[mojorizen7]

...and the defending NBA champions opponents combined win/loss record to this point is 44-40, having played 6 of 9 in the Staples Center and they're 7-2.
Doesn't mean .
Both teams have taken care of business thus far.
The SUNS have taken care of business at home(3-0)and on the road(5-2).

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This thread was extremely harmless...and it's funny to see people taking offense to it.

glad to see a non-Suns fan notice.

[cobbler]

Of course, the Lakers didnt even HAVE any pussy excuses when they got hammered last night. Theyre just pussies.

They got beat and beat good. Nuggets were the better team. You dont see Kobe making excuses either. He gives the Nugs a nod and moves on. As do the real fans.

The majority of your fanbase the night before complains about the schedule, the refs, the back to back and god knows what else. Maybe when the players, organization, and fanbase man up and stop looking for the excuses, you can take the next step. Until then, you will always be whining es and 0 for life.

[iggypop123]

last time i checked everyone plays the same schedule with the same ammount of home games.

[Darrin]

What do you think I'm doing?

Take the pillar out of your ass and lighten up.

Take Steve Nash off your team and I will.

[sabar]

Suns are number one and until some other team proves otherwise, that's how it is. No excuses.

[Thundaluva]

Take Steve Nash off your team and I will.

I know your cities economy is in worse shape than MC Hammer's bank account but no reason to be bitter.

[duhoh]

[N]***as [b]ouncin [A]round

sorry. had to say that.

so who's taking this thread seriously?

[Thundaluva]

[N]***as [b]ouncin [A]round

sorry. had to say that.

so who's taking this thread seriously?

Check the front page.

[Darrin]

N***a I know your cities economy is in worse shape than MC Hammer's bank account but no reason to be bitter.

One, don't EVER use that word to address me again!

Secondly, the Phoenix Suns have done jack and have been on television and talked as if they are an elite NBA franchise. They have been called the "most-fun" basketball you'll ever watch. Mike D'Antoni and Bryan Colangelo were talked about as the best in the business while teams that actually win the le are doing just that. They've been crammed down my throat and I don't have to like it.

Meanwhile, they've won every single postseason award (except Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP).

Most Improved: Boris Diaw
Coach of the Year: Mike D'Antoni
Rookie of the Year: Amare Stoudemire

And the mother-load: 2-time MVP Steve Nash.


2005-06 Statistics:

--Kobe Bryant: 35.4 ppg (career-high), 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, and 1.8 spg for the 45-37 Los Angeles Lakers. The team was +11 in the win column.

--Dirk Nowitzki: 26.6 ppg (career-high), 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.0 bpg for the 60-22 (tied franchise-high) Dallas Mavericks. The team was +2 in the win column.

--Chauncey Billups: 18.5 ppg (career-high), 8.6 apg (career-high), 3.1 rpg, and .9 spg for the 64-18 (franchise-record) Detroit Pistons. +10 in the win column.

Notable Point Guards Never to win MVP:

--Jason Kidd (2001-02): 14.7 ppg, 9.9 apg, and 2.1 spg for the 52-30 New Jersey Nets, a 26-game improvement over the previous season. Kidd has led the Nets to two NBA Finals.

--Isiah Thomas (1984-85): 21.2 ppg, 13.9 apg, and 2.3 spg for the 46-36 Detroit Pistons. The 13.9 apg was the highes in NBA history at that point. Isiah Thomas is a Hall-of-Famer who won 2 NBA les in 3 trips to the NBA Finals.

--John Stockton (1989-90): 17.2 ppg, 14.5 apg, and 2.7 spg for the 55-27 Utah Jazz. The 14.5 apg was the highest in NBA history. Stockton is a Hall-of-Famer who played in two NBA Finals.

Multiple Winners of the MVP:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar--6 NBA Championships
Michael Jordan -- 5 NBA Championships
Bill Russell -- 11 NBA Championships
Wilt Chamberlain -- 2 NBA Championships
Larry Bird -- 3 NBA Championships
Magic Johnson -- 5 NBA Championships
Moses Malone -- 1 NBA Championship.
Tim Duncan -- 4 NBA Championships
Bob Pet -- 1 NBA Championship.
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The only multiple winners to not win an NBA Championship?

Karl Malone and Steve Nash.

The only multiple winner to not play in the NBA Finals?

Steve Nash.

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He's a media darling much more than Lebron James. I don't understand it and I went from a fan to hating him in 2006 because of all of this. I won't relent on your team until he is gone.

[Xylus]

[Thundaluva]

One, don't EVER use that word to address me again!

Secondly, the Phoenix Suns have done jack and have been on television and talked as if they are an elite NBA franchise. They have been called the "most-fun" basketball you'll ever watch. Mike D'Antoni and Bryan Colangelo were talked about as the best in the business while teams that actually win the le are doing just that. They've been crammed down my throat and I don't have to like it.

Meanwhile, they've won every single postseason award (except Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP).

Most Improved: Boris Diaw
Coach of the Year: Mike D'Antoni
Rookie of the Year: Amare Stoudemire

And the mother-load: 2-time MVP Steve Nash.


2005-06 Statistics:

--Kobe Bryant: 35.4 ppg (career-high), 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, and 1.8 spg for the 45-37 Los Angeles Lakers. The team was +11 in the win column.

--Dirk Nowitzki: 26.6 ppg (career-high), 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.0 bpg for the 60-22 (tied franchise-high) Dallas Mavericks. The team was +2 in the win column.

--Chauncey Billups: 18.5 ppg (career-high), 8.6 apg (career-high), 3.1 rpg, and .9 spg for the 64-18 (franchise-record) Detroit Pistons. +10 in the win column.

Notable Point Guards Never to win MVP:

--Jason Kidd (2001-02): 14.7 ppg, 9.9 apg, and 2.1 spg for the 52-30 New Jersey Nets, a 26-game improvement over the previous season. Kidd has led the Nets to two NBA Finals.

--Isiah Thomas (1984-85): 21.2 ppg, 13.9 apg, and 2.3 spg for the 46-36 Detroit Pistons. The 13.9 apg was the highes in NBA history at that point. Isiah Thomas is a Hall-of-Famer who won 2 NBA les in 3 trips to the NBA Finals.

--John Stockton (1989-90): 17.2 ppg, 14.5 apg, and 2.7 spg for the 55-27 Utah Jazz. The 14.5 apg was the highest in NBA history. Stockton is a Hall-of-Famer who played in two NBA Finals.

Multiple Winners of the MVP:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar--6 NBA Championships
Michael Jordan -- 5 NBA Championships
Bill Russell -- 11 NBA Championships
Wilt Chamberlain -- 2 NBA Championships
Larry Bird -- 3 NBA Championships
Magic Johnson -- 5 NBA Championships
Moses Malone -- 1 NBA Championship.
Tim Duncan -- 4 NBA Championships
Bob Pet -- 1 NBA Championship.
---

The only multiple winners to not win an NBA Championship?

Karl Malone and Steve Nash.

The only multiple winner to not play in the NBA Finals?

Steve Nash.

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He's a media darling much more than Lebron James. I don't understand it and I went from a fan to hating him in 2006 because of all of this. I won't relent on your team until he is gone.

Damn , Steve Nash your wife or something?



PS - I'm a Thunder fan, not a Suns fan. Just find your anger hilarious.

[pauls931]

I don't think people are taking the thread too seriously, I just think Xylus's sig is subconsiouscly spinning people into some kind of hyper-rage.

[da_suns_fan]

One, don't EVER use that word to address me again!

Secondly, the Phoenix Suns have done jack and have been on television and talked as if they are an elite NBA franchise. They have been called the "most-fun" basketball you'll ever watch. Mike D'Antoni and Bryan Colangelo were talked about as the best in the business while teams that actually win the le are doing just that. They've been crammed down my throat and I don't have to like it.

Meanwhile, they've won every single postseason award (except Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP).

Most Improved: Boris Diaw
Coach of the Year: Mike D'Antoni
Rookie of the Year: Amare Stoudemire

And the mother-load: 2-time MVP Steve Nash.


2005-06 Statistics:

--Kobe Bryant: 35.4 ppg (career-high), 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, and 1.8 spg for the 45-37 Los Angeles Lakers. The team was +11 in the win column.

--Dirk Nowitzki: 26.6 ppg (career-high), 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.0 bpg for the 60-22 (tied franchise-high) Dallas Mavericks. The team was +2 in the win column.

--Chauncey Billups: 18.5 ppg (career-high), 8.6 apg (career-high), 3.1 rpg, and .9 spg for the 64-18 (franchise-record) Detroit Pistons. +10 in the win column.

Notable Point Guards Never to win MVP:

--Jason Kidd (2001-02): 14.7 ppg, 9.9 apg, and 2.1 spg for the 52-30 New Jersey Nets, a 26-game improvement over the previous season. Kidd has led the Nets to two NBA Finals.

--Isiah Thomas (1984-85): 21.2 ppg, 13.9 apg, and 2.3 spg for the 46-36 Detroit Pistons. The 13.9 apg was the highes in NBA history at that point. Isiah Thomas is a Hall-of-Famer who won 2 NBA les in 3 trips to the NBA Finals.

--John Stockton (1989-90): 17.2 ppg, 14.5 apg, and 2.7 spg for the 55-27 Utah Jazz. The 14.5 apg was the highest in NBA history. Stockton is a Hall-of-Famer who played in two NBA Finals.

Multiple Winners of the MVP:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar--6 NBA Championships
Michael Jordan -- 5 NBA Championships
Bill Russell -- 11 NBA Championships
Wilt Chamberlain -- 2 NBA Championships
Larry Bird -- 3 NBA Championships
Magic Johnson -- 5 NBA Championships
Moses Malone -- 1 NBA Championship.
Tim Duncan -- 4 NBA Championships
Bob Pet -- 1 NBA Championship.
---

The only multiple winners to not win an NBA Championship?

Karl Malone and Steve Nash.

The only multiple winner to not play in the NBA Finals?

Steve Nash.

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He's a media darling much more than Lebron James. I don't understand it and I went from a fan to hating him in 2006 because of all of this. I won't relent on your team until he is gone.

1) You forgot 6th man of the year for Barbosa in 2006.

2) Amare's rookie of the year award was 2 years before SSOL.

3) Since SSOL started, the Pistons hadnt won or been to the finals either. Would you prefer THEY get all the praise?

[Thundaluva]

3) Since SSOL started, the Pistons hadnt won or been to the finals either. Would you prefer THEY get all the praise?

The Pistons went to the finals in 2005, but that's only cause of a ty Eastern Conference.

[Darrin]

1) You forgot 6th man of the year for Barbosa in 2006.

2) Amare's rookie of the year award was 2 years before SSOL.

3) Since SSOL started, the Pistons hadnt won or been to the finals either. Would you prefer THEY get all the praise?

1. and 2. -- That is true.

3 -- The Pistons have made the Conference Finals 3 times to the Phoenix Suns 2, and the Finals once to Phoenix's 0. I think they should get more praise because of the balance of their attack and their consistency.

BUT THEY ARE NOT THE TEAM THAT'S BEEN CHEATED...

The credit goes to the Dallas Mavericks, who have remained consistent, made the playoffs, beat the Suns in the postseason, AND HAVE GONE TO THE NBA FINALS!!!

The credit goes to the San Antonio Spurs, who have won in the regular season, been explosive offensively in comparison to the 1999 and 2003 les, beat the Suns in the postseason, and won 2 NBA les.

The credit goes to the Los Angeles Lakers, who have won in the regular season, boast the best player in the league, and have been to the Finals twice with one NBA Championship.

Why would I think the Pistons needed all the credit? They don't play in the West and the Suns have yet to hit the NBA Finals.

[Allanon]

The Path of the Righteous Man Is Beset on All Sides by the inequities of the Selfish and the Tyranny of Evil Men