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    Or the fact that him being the 'best closer' in the game is really a myth.
    You'd think the "best closer" in the NBA would be able to close out a 3-1 series lead.

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    You'd think the "best closer" in the NBA would be able to close out a 3-1 series lead.
    Or not blow a 20+ lead in one quarter.

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    Or the 2008 Finals. , he hasn't really peformed that well in the Finals in general.

    I mentioned 2004 finals cause it's ironic that Pistonfan is calling Kobe the most complete player ever after he threw up quan y of bricks against them in 2004 capable of housing Detroit's homeless population.

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    You must have missed the 2004 NBA finals.
    Uh...No I didn't. I didn't miss that Bryant was 26-years-old when the Pistons held him to 37% shooting. What I didn't miss was that Kobe went back to the gym. I didn't miss all the shots he put up in 2005 or the series against the Suns when he almost sent 2-time MVP Steve Nash home in the first round. I have seen him evolve over the past five years into the most complete player in today's game.

    Jordan had to grow as well. I've got some good tape of him making mistakes in the '89 Conference Finals. Don't buy the myth or get blinded by the bling. Jordan was dominant, but his game was not this complete at age 31.

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    He did improve his footwork this season. I also thought he matured as a player as far as decision making since Gasol came around.

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    It's similar to Spurfan talking about how awesome and respectful Pistonfan is because they beat the Pistons in 2005, all the while hating Mavfan because of their recent history against Dallas.

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    I mentioned 2004 finals cause it's ironic that Pistonfan is calling Kobe the most complete player ever after he threw up quan y of bricks against them in 2004 capable of housing Detroit's homeless population.
    The Sonics could have gotten a new arena with all those bricks.

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    He did improve his footwork this season. I also thought he matured as a player as far as decision making since Gasol came around.
    His footwork has grown two-fold since 2004.

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    the series against the Suns when he almost sent 2-time MVP Steve Nash home in the first round.

    "almost" sending someone home and getting sent home are the exact same thing. The way you talk about Nash, someone comparable to Jordan should have been able to close out a 3-1 series lead against Nash's team.

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    "almost" sending someone home and getting sent home are the exact same thing. The way you talk about Nash, someone comparable to Jordan should have been able to close out a 3-1 series lead against Nash's team.
    Stop it. He's been to the Finals twice since then and brought home the le last year with the Finals MVP in tow. He was growing as a player.

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    There's no doubt in my mind that if you swap MJ for Kobe, at the same age, the Lakers would have won the Finals against the Celtics two seasons ago.

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    I didn't miss that Bryant was 26-years-old when the Pistons held him to 37% shooting.

    When the did 26 years old become some really young age. Give a 26 year old Michael Jordan Shaq in 1990, the Bulls take a piping hot on Detroit and steam role to a championship.

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    There's no doubt in my mind that if you swap MJ for Kobe, at the same age, the Lakers would have won the Finals against the Celtics two seasons ago.
    They had the talent, but not the mental toughness.

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    Stop it. He's been to the Finals twice since then and brought home the le last year with the Finals MVP in tow. He was growing as a player.

    This has nothing to do with the fact you just tried to pass of "almost sending Steve Nash home" as an accomplishment. Nash must be one heck of a player if "almost" beating him is that impressive.

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    Stop it. He's been to the Finals twice since then and brought home the le last year with the Finals MVP in tow. He was growing as a player.
    No Odom AND Gasol = no le.
    We can surely argue that no Pippen = no le for MJ, but it's a lot less help.

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    Stop it. He's been to the Finals twice since then and brought home the le last year with the Finals MVP in tow. He was growing as a player.

    How cute, he has 1 finals MVP. Jordan had 3 by Kobe's age.

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    There's no doubt in my mind that if you swap MJ for Kobe, at the same age, the Lakers would have won the Finals against the Celtics two seasons ago.
    I don't even think Michael Jordan could have prevented those cupcakes from being physically abused in the 2008 final. The Lakers didn't win cause they were missing Ariza and Bynum for the finals. The Celtics were damn good that year too.

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    Now that the Blazers have arrived Kobe will never win another ring. NEVER!

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    No Odom AND Gasol = no le.
    We can surely argue that no Pippen = no le for MJ, but it's a lot less help.
    It's amazing how people still underrate how good Pippen was.

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    Actually, what differentiates MJ from the MJ's wannabe are that the later ones have all these 'almost', while MJ doesn't.

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    MJ has a career shooting percent of 49.7%. Kobe has yet to have a season where he shoots at that clip.

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    When the did 26 years old become some really young age. Give a 26 year old Michael Jordan Shaq in 1990, the Bulls take a piping hot on Detroit and steam role to a championship.
    Okay. You win the big hypothetical.

    The reality is that Michael Jordan was watching the Pistons play in the Finals at the age of 26. Believe me, I have the whole series; he was not a complete player in 1989.

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    It's amazing how people still underrate how good Pippen was.
    How am I underrating him if I'm saying that no Pippen = no le?

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    The reality is that Michael Jordan was watching the Pistons play in the Finals at the age of 26. Believe me, I have the whole series; he was not a complete player in 1989.

    He was a lot more complete than Kobe was at that age.

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    Okay. You win the big hypothetical.

    The reality is that Michael Jordan was watching the Pistons play in the Finals at the age of 26. Believe me, I have the whole series; he was not a complete player in 1989.
    I'm not saying MJ came into the league and dominated.
    But I'm definitely saying that one he started to dominate, there were no if, buts or almosts...

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