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2-3 years? Um you aren't the lakers. You don't go from average to elite that quickly unless you are. It will be 5-6 years at the earliest before you even enter the elite conversation. If your 2 best players are Charlie V and Ben Gordon still, you won't even be in the conversation. You need a superstar. A bunch of nice quality players won't cut it. You got lucky in 2004 but that was a once in a blue moon moment.
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Well I thought this current squad would kick the lakers teeth in. It is too bad Rip/Prince weren't playing. Kobe struggles against prince and Rip is a Laker killer.
Oh well they fought back but just didn't have enough.
Onto tonight. I love our chances against the Blazers. This Piston team is young elite and hungry. Time to get back on our traditional winning ways.
Pistons 101
Blazers 85
I beg to differ. First, it took the Lakers 5 years to transition from Shaq-Kobe to Bryant's team. Pau Gasol is one of the great rip-offs of all time, hence, things broke their way.
Ben Gordon and Charlie V are not our best players right now. The Pistons have great guard play. We haven't seen this team at full-strength for more than one game, against Memphis. Rodney Stuckey and Rip Hamilton were the starters with Ben Gordon and Will Bynum off the bench. Right now, the Pistons are playing three guys under 6-5 in crunch time because Hamilton is gone and why I think Will Bynum is gone after this season, probably to the Lakers. Austin Daye looks like Tayshaun Prince's little brother, and I'm talking about his game, not his physique.
What they need is a frontline. If they can get someone to replace Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown, Jason Maxiell and Dajuan Summers, it won't be that long. They need guys who can rebound and defend the paint. After that, they have the scoring, the system, and the mindset to get back into contention.
They aren't that far away. They just need to find some interior-D.
Immediately made me think of the Wayans Brothers theme song...
We're brothers.
We're happy and we're singing and we're colored.
GIVE ME A HIIIIGH 5!!!
Oh, and can we lock this thread already?!?!
Interior D will help but the fact is you would still be lacking a SUPERSTAR. You need that to win championships. The scoring will have its share of issues in the playoffs because of that. They need that guy who demands double teams. Having a bunch of role players doesn't cut it in this league. In the playoffs they won't be all that difficult to defend because of that.
Charlie V/Gordon are not your best players? Wow not a good sign at all. Who is then? Rip?Will Bynum?
You aren't getting anywhere near a championship until you get a superstar.
Oh and it only took 3 and a 1/2 give or take years to go from average to elite. Lakers became average in the summer of 2004. In February 2008, they returned as elites.
You sound a lot like me when I used to laugh at Lakers fans that told me that Kobe would grow, Bynum was as good as Shaq, Sasha could be one of the best shooters in the game, and Lamar Odom wasn't a rip-off.Interior D will help but the fact is you would still be lacking a SUPERSTAR. You need that to win championships. The scoring will have its share of issues in the playoffs because of that. They need that guy who demands double teams. Having a bunch of role players doesn't cut it in this league. In the playoffs they won't be all that difficult to defend because of that.
Charlie V/Gordon are not your best players? Wow not a good sign at all. Who is then? Rip?
You aren't getting anywhere near a championship until you get a superstar.
The Pistons' guard-play is fantastic. Yes, Richard Hamilton is the Pistons best offensive threat. Ben Gordon will return to the bench when he comes back. We have six guys averaging double figures.
Richard Hamilton - 25.0 ppg.
Ben Gordon - 22.0 ppg.
Rodney Stuckey - 16.7 ppg.
Charlie V - 15.4 ppg.
Will Bynum - 14.9 ppg.
Tayshaun Prince - 12.3 ppg.
It's a very potent attack when everyone is healthy. I'd trust Rip, Gordon, and Bynum to take the last shot at the end of the game. I would trust Stuckey and Prince to lock down the best player on the perimeter.
We don't know where the ceiling on Rodney Stuckey is yet. Austin Daye is going to be one of those guys in double-digits in three years. This team has room to grow.
The pistons were elite in the late 80's early 90's. Then MJ's bulls swept them and put them into mediocrity until the 2003-2004 season. The Pistons were elite for that year and the 2004-2005 year.
In 2005-2006 they weren't elite. They just had an elite regular season. It took them 7 games to beat the Cavs and then got their asses kicked by Miami in the next round.
2006-2007 they werent elite as they nearly blew a 3-0 lead to the bulls and lost in 6 to a 1 man cavs team.
2007-2008 they weren't elite either. They were good but they weren't elite.
2008-2009.....nuff said.
Prince is an overrated defender. He hasn't done since the 2003-2004 season. As for the other young guys, one of them will have to evolve into that superstar type of player if they want to be in the elite conversation. They are all efficient guys and they would fit in beautifully with a SUPERSTAR. At the end of the day...you need that.
Superstar+damn good role players who are clutch= back into the elite conversation. Pistons have 1 of the 2 at the moment.
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Well we have had our injury woes but what a win today against an overrated Hawk team!
Maybe this will be a start of a huge winning streak for the Pistons.
Nice win, I was getting tired of hearing about the Hawks, now just stay east and leave Pho alone OK?
The 04 Pistons didn't need a superstar...
They didn't need one, their D was so good.
What about in 05-09?
What about the years before 2004?
They did it in 2004 which proved to be more a fluke than anything else. The fact remains you need superstars to win championships. One fluke season isn't going to change that. It's what hurt them the following seasons. Until they acquire a superstar (Or unless one of their young guys turns into one), they won't be sniffing a championship anytime soon.
They were a game away form winning it in '05. They were no fluke.
They had no business being in the finals that year. Wade's injury won Detroit that series. The next year proved that as Miami beat their asses in 6 games.
Other years are irrelevant. Your argument is that you need a SUPERSTAR to win a championship. The Pistons proved you wrong in 04. Simple as that
As much as I like what you are saying, quit kissing our asses. I don't need a dip laker fan coming in here acting all nice to Piston fans cuz his team is the defending champs. I can't stand s like you who pretend to be nice because all is well in hollywood.
I only said what I said because his reasoning was flawed. My disagreeing with him had nothing to do with your ty ass team that has no chance at a Championship, or even the ECF's. The Pistons are just an average team.As much as I like what you are saying, quit kissing our asses. I don't need a dip laker fan coming in here acting all nice to Piston fans cuz his team is the defending champs. I can't stand s like you who pretend to be nice because all is well in hollywood.
Get over yourself
And it's pretty hilarious that a Pistons fan that thinks they are currently elite calls ME a dip .
And everything is nice in Hollywood right now. Can't say the same for Detroit, the city or it's team...
Well sure, if you don't want any unnecessary pleasantries.I don't need a dip laker fan coming in here acting all nice to Piston fans
I gave the Pistons the benefit of the doubt and the Lakers ran up by 28 points before winning by 13.
The Pistons are nowhere close to the elite and are sitting at #11 in the East with only 6 teams that are worse in the NBA.
I think you are a dip if you take anything he says seriously, it seems pretty clear that this whole thread his a joke.
This thread is then a ty joke going on since like March.
Yes, and I'm not sure whether that's amusing or sad. Maybe both.
Sad, but it is entertaining when the little isn't over-reacting to comments that weren't about his current team.
It's funny that he thinks they're elite
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