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without tony and manu it was hard to run anything else.. especially in a close games with nothing but new faces.
i can understand your argument if tony and manu were in the game... but with rj and dice... you really have no argument
No, not a bad game, this same . The exact identical thing. Running 4 down constantly with Tim getting doubled or tripled team, forcing a shot, looking for a foul or getting it stripped.
I've seen this kill our offense so many times, it's lead to the losing of leads and just plain losing in close games.
without tony and manu it was hard to run anything else.. especially in a close games with nothing but new faces.
i can understand your argument if tony and manu were in the game... but with rj and dice... you really have no argument
So what about all the times 4 down has carried our offense?..
I didn't see anybody complaining when Duncan posted up Humphries for the game-tying basket with 2 seconds left..
There is no doubt 4 down was the play to go... there is no doubt duncan should have been at the line that last possession...
again like i said.. pop should have used his timeouts better instead of running up and down.. clearly we were tired.
Yes, because that's the point of my thread. I hate 4 down so super damn much it hurts.
Because that's a different situation. It's a one on one play against a inferior defender.I didn't see anybody complaining when Duncan posted up Humphries for the game-tying basket with 2 seconds left..
Again, not the reason I started this thread.
Time outs are meaningless if Duncan is going to get doubled and tripled and put up a shot looking for a foul.
They were wasted possessions, a time out isn't going to change that.
Uh, yes it is.
No it's not.
My rant pertains to OT and the play of Duncan in the 4 down that was called repeatedly by Pop.
It's Tim's forcing of shots in the double or triple team looking for a bailout by the refs that kept repeating like a merry-go-round that made me start this thread.
I had a luck to watch the 4th q and I said in the OT wtf is Tim doing now?
Again and again opponent clogged the lane for tim and first obvious passing lane. Spurs fail to open more passing lanes when Tim is doubled or trippled. It's still the easiest way to stop the spurs even when talking about whole game - all you need tro do is single coverage Tim with double team going at him as he moving closer to the basket. Then at the end throw constatnt double or tripple close the lane and of course reabound as spurs have nobody there to rebound at that time.
end of story
Spurs look so much different with manu out there
btw. again a game in a b2b lost, someone said that the spurs are good at b2b games.
i disagree... if duncan had time to catch his breath then there is no doubt in my mind he would take humphries to the rack for 2 even if they were bringing kidd on the double... or in your case... a timeout could have help set up a pass out of the double team.... the timeouts could have helped... especially with the new guys.
So is anybody going to tell me why nobody cuts or moves when Duncan has the ball down low?..that's the belief here, why don't they do it?.. , according to some here, we have those types of players in the rotation..
Bonner had the ball on the wing, he had his back slightly to the basket..Hairston came from the wing, cut down the middle, caught the ball and went up to score a layup..
It was the SAME situation..
lack of movement isn't on the player with the ing ball..
I'm all for 4 down when other players are moving and cutting to the basket...not when the 4 other guys just stand at the 3 point line and wait for the kick out. In the OT, it seemed like the 2nd scenario was happening alot more.
That's actually by design. In theory, Duncan backs down his defender, and if a double comes, he can kick it out for shooters. If the other team doubles with the guy farthest from TD, then you would need to pass along the perimeter as the other team rotates to get a three on the far side. If the other team doesn't double, then these spot up shooters are spacing the floor giving TD room to operate.
Obviously, it didn't matter this time since Tim was merely hoisting up a shot hoping for a call that it's pretty hard to get on the road.
I forgot to add. Some teams would rather give up the three and clog the lane. They will only swarm and double if we're hitting from outside. Obviously, they are merely playing the percentages, since points inside the paint are normally a much higher percentage shot than a three.
The Lakers specifically have played us like this for a long time
now.
I assume there's a variation of the play, which is simple basketball..we had 1 semi-consistent 3-point shooter on the floor, and 1 semi-consistent mid-range shooter..I would assume there's a variation that included cutting to the basket, which is simple basketball, especially since Finley's the only 3-point shooter that was on the floor..
The Mavs didn't clog the paint on us, they didn't have any defenders that should be able to keep up with a cutting Hill or Jefferson, and they don't have any interior defenders..
Duncan taking the shot was our best bet either way, but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have worked out with so much space with RJ/Hill slashing off the ball..
Yes there is IF the other team is guarding your shooters on the perimeter. If the other team is instead clogging the lane by basically sitting their played around the key, then well, they're just daring you to shoot.
What I didn't like was that nobody crashed the boards.
Once TD missed, we had no chance of grabbing the rebound.
It was 3 Mavs against Dice going for the board.
Props to Dallas on actually mixing it up on defense, boxing out and rebounding.
you keep referring to Duncan 'forcing shots' against double and tripple teams. I'm not sure we watched the same game. He did force the shots, and they were ugly, but he was never double teamed. Once Duncan forced his way into Dirk the help defense semi-collapsed in the lane, but that is not a double team. At no point did the Mavericks leave a man open to come trap Duncan with a double team, if they did he would have passed out of it. Duncan made the same moves hes been making for 10 years, and tonight he made those moves against a horrible front line. They didn't fall and he didn't get the benefit of a call. But Timvp is right, one chip shot goes in and we win by 5-6 and everyone is talking about how Pop did amazing with what he had and how Duncan played great. Get off it.
Not classic.Stupid.
Next time TD has to pass the ball in the 4th quarter so there is not overtime,we lose the game anyway and everybody is happy
4 Dumb led to 4 championships.That made my night.
Eric_ParkWhy are they standing at the three point line looking befuddled with the great coach Popavich directing the offense?Awesome. Who gets the ball, Jefferson or hill taking turns standing at the three point line looking befuddled.
ElNonoNow here is a person who understands the pitfalls of 4 Dumb being overused. In addition the opponent is almost always in better position for transitioning to their offense, certainly true again tonight vs Dallas.What I didn't like was that nobody crashed the boards.
Once TD missed, we had no chance of grabbing the rebound.
It was 3 Mavs against Dice going for the board.
Props to Dallas on actually mixing it up on defense, boxing out and rebounding.
Finally TD never was egoist.He wasn't leading the team in FGA last 3 or 4 seasons.
So when he has to do force shots it's because Pop wants and his teammates are afraid or not ready to do it.TD would be happy if he only has to pass the ball to win the game but that didn't work in the 4th quarter while he tied the game every play.
We lost in Dallas in the OT without TP and Manu.
That's bull could be good when we lost with the Thunders
What's new?
Your other players need to not suck for any motion offense to have a chance.
We practically passed the ball to the Mavs more than to ourselves. That should pretty much be the end of how we lost.
haha
what an emotional
Duncan acted a little irrationally after he missed that tip it...he wanted to try and make up for it on every possession after that. Big deal, he and GHill were the only O that the Spurs had. He carried the team on his back the whole game (especially on D). The Spurs tried moving the ball around in the first half and it was worthless...Duncan was the only bright spot on O.
Stupid ing thread.
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