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wow you really have a hurt butt
wow you really have a hurt butt
glad I'm still chodier than cowboys fans in your book.
im not saying they would or wouldnt have, but i wouldn't say its as farfeched as you think. collins didnt exactly do anything to wow people. he completed under 60% of his passes, and pretty much let Chris Johnson (a rookie) carry the team.
i think people forget how good of a weapon Chris Johnson is. VY never had a weapon like him before, and didnt really get much of a chance to play with him last year. but CJ was clearly the MVP of that offense last year, and its obvious how much he helps VY this year, because VY actually has a weapon he can depend on to lead the offense with him. remember what collins did with the same supporting cast that VY had in his first 2 years with the ans? he completed 46% of his passes and had a 1 to 6 TD/INT ratio.
again, i wont say that they would or wouldnt have been as successful if VY stayed at the helm, but i think having CJ would have benefited him quite a bit, much like it helped collins.
you're not
just too stoned too edit you out
I think it doesn't really matter.
The schedule for the ans this year to start was brutal. 4 of those first 6 were on the road against Pitt, Jets, Jax and NE......the two home games were against Indy and Houston....
they get the bye week, then play Jax and Buffalo at home and SF on the road for the 3 wins.
imo, you could interchange the QBs and you would get the same record. Neither one really throws enough passes to either win or lose the game on his own.
Agreed, but, Vince simply was not ready for last season. VY fans should be happy Collins played so well for a year, that gave VY a reality check that he needed to start working and it was no longer like college where everyone's main objective was to keep him happy.
I remember an article several years ago about how Texas players are coddled too much in college and it leaves them completely unprepared for the NFL. Look at Benson once he had a year off, and now look at Young. That article appears to be right.
link? ^might be some dudes like casey hampton, aaron ross, dan neil, who would disagree and put their superbowl rings in your face
....Roy Williams
roy williams was completely unprepared for the NFL?
Some players need discipline from other people, some can do their job on their own. In those cases, the players didn't need anyone to be hard on them to stay motivated.
completely is such an all encompassing word.....
how prepared do you think he was/is?
imo, he's got a job because he's a gifted athlete......not because of any special prepping from his days at UT.
true
its funny though that the "head cases" like benson, vy and ricky. (all statistically some of the greatest players in college football history) all are currently having good seasons, and that proves they were coddled?
roy is having a bad year after he was sent to the annual storm that is the dallas cowboys and now he was coddled?
........I have written about the Roy trade plenty over the months, and I am still confident that he is capable of getting done what they need done. But, part of this equation is bigger than running routes and making catches. It is being able to handle it when you play poorly. People are going to question you. People are going to boo you. Are you going to freak out, As Vince Young did when he was introduced to adversity , or are you going to prove you want to defeat it?
Which brings us to another fun thread. The thread where you question why Vince Young and Roy Williams (and Cedric Benson and Ricky Williams) have such a hard time achieving that which they were thought able to achieve at the NFL level.
Those 4 names have 2 things in common: 1) All were taken in the top 10 of the NFL draft and paid handsomely before ever taking a snap, and 2) All were products of Mack Brown’s Univeristy of Texas football program.
This is the portion of the blog entry where I suggest that maybe, just maybe, high-profile players from Texas are sheltered and coddled by Mack and assured that victory is your fault, but defeat never is. Not to suggest that Texas players cannot play at the next level (which many UT fans already confused) but RATHER, that players who are asked to stand in the spotlight at the NFL level from Mack Brown’s program do not appear to like it when people are throwing insults rather than flowers at their feet.
If my email box is any indication, this will cause some Texas fans to change the argument. Here are some examples from the last 24 hours:
http://www.statesman.com/sports/cont...0424bohls.html
A couple of names not mentioned in the article of successful Horns in the NFL: Aaron Ross, Casey Hampton, Phil Dawson, Lyle Sendlein (starting rookie center for NFC champ Cardinals), along the following;
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.c...ctive-nfl.html
By the way the following Longhorns made the 2009 ProBowl:
Leonard Davis
Shawn Rogers
Now if you want to do honest journalism evaluate the other major college programs for comparison:
Oklahoma (outside of Adrian Peterson who else has been a hit, how is their Roy Williams doing these days)
USC (Mike Williams, Matt Lienart, Lendale White, how is that greatness doing these days)
Penn State (it’s well do ented their running back struggles in the NFL)
Florida (seeing a successful NFL quarterback from there lately, how is that working out)
Before you bag on Texas, please do just a tadbit more research.
Thanks,
Matt in Frisco
Using Phil Dawson to deflect heat from Vince Young? Priceless. Or, this one:
Hey Sturm VY was 30 -2 at Texas what did you want Mack to say to him. Please lose more so we can yell at you. Hey Ricky please don’t win the Hieseman so we can yell at you more. Shawn Rogers please don’t anchor the best defensive line in football so we can yell at you more. Please stick to throwing your panties at U2 and Brett Farve. Maybe next segment you tell the listeners about all of the Sooners who are tearing it up in the NFL because I can only think of one “AP”. Thank you P1 Clay in Shady Shores.
U2 and Brett Favre? That is staying on topic.
While I do appreciate those guys listening/reading my material, I wish they would listen closer. The discussion is not about ALL Texas players having something in common. As you point out, there are many Texas players who are having fine NFL careers. That is not the argument.
The question is also NOT: What about other schools having busts? While this is also true, It would seem that Texas has as many Top 10 picks who continuously underachieve as anyone in the country (Mike Williams, anyone?) over the last decade.
Also, this is not a question of whether Oklahoma has a list of NFL players that compare to Texas. As someone who pulls for the Wisconsin Badgers, I don’t have a dog in this fight. But, I would suggest that Adrian Peterson and Tommie Harris alone provide two players who were taken very high in the draft and not only achieved, but perhaps over-achieved from their spot in the draft. In fact, Tommie was chosen 7 picks behind Roy Williams in the 2004 draft. Think the Lions want a do-over?
We can change the topic if we want to protect our favorite school, or we can look for answers. As UT fan Brandon points out:
Bob -
Listening to BaD radio about Roy Williams and the comments on the Texas country club. As a UT grad, I am not going to deny that. The year of Shawn Rogers, Vince, Ricky, Roy….yes. Mack had a bubble around the team. But that I believe has changed. Look at some of the kids coming out of Texas these past two years. Orakpo, Griffin, Tony Hills (not too bad), Cosby (trying to make a team) to name a few. The team now always has their job on the line from what I have read. If you do not produce, move over, we are going to put someone else there to prove it.
BTW…see highlights of Orakpo from the Redskins / Steelers game. Poor Tony Hills getting blown up
Link of Play
And yes, I am tired of Roy talking.
Brandon
I think he is right. I think Mack Brown realizes (although good luck getting him to admit it) that he was too soft on his high-profile guys, and perhaps is asking more of Colt McCoy than he did of Chris Simms in the critique department. Time will tell.
Look, I know that nobody likes to hear critical things about a team or school they love. But, I am not sure it makes a ton of sense to deny the trend.
We all want the same thing here. Let’s hope Roy can handle the heat in 2009.
http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/20...andle-the-job/
if you check the resume he had some great seasons in detroit
i would like to hear an example of a college specially prepping a player and that being the reason for success in the pros
peyton manning? randy moss? leinart?
roy was always a straight line, one cut route runner, hes even bigger now and hes running some stupid in dallas
of course deep down i have to root for him to fall on his face because i hate the cowgirls
all three had meltdowns before they started getting their somewhat together.
from the way he has been responding to all the criticism at this level, I'd say yes he was coddled at UT.roy is having a bad year after he was sent to the annual storm that is the dallas cowboys and now he was coddled?
hows that working out for you? having to balance longhorn love and cowgirl hate.
you in the 512 brah i got the hook on some dank right now
true ricky williams had 130 yards and 3 tds tonight and that proved he was coddled 15 years ago under mackovic
you could have a longer threa than this about ricky
he had one outstanding year in Detroit. so?
I think Tech does a better job preparing WRs for the pros than UT, but that's just my opinion.i would like to hear an example of a college specially prepping a player and that being the reason for success in the pros
I don't recall hearing about their coaches coddling players.peyton manning? randy moss? leinart?
seems to me UT/Mack did him no favors other than put him in the national spotlight.roy was always a straight line, one cut route runner, hes even bigger now and hes running some stupid in dallas
of course deep down i have to root for him to fall on his face because i hate the cowgirls
what special prepping are you talking about then?
my point was its hard to say he was "unprepared for the nfl" after 3 good seasons for the lions, yes they sucked, no he didnt set any records but he had good seasons
i have to agree because im not following you, i dont know of any favors mack brown did him, besides recruiting a country boy from odessa, letting him start 4 years, throwing the ball to him, thats pretty much what i noticedseems to me UT/Mack did him no favors other than put him in the national spotlight
i dont think mack talked with the lions or cowboys about signing him
Three good years?
Nah, two years where he had everything from a cracked nail to a bruised labia and one year where a converted FS had more catches than he did.
what the are you talking about?
he violated the league's drug abuse policy 4 times and had to sit the out of the NFL because he wanted to smoke all day.
I don't recall seeing Mack Brown getting in his face to get back up on his feet, stop being a and get back out there.
I said he's in the NFL based on pure talent and not on any special prepping.
I don't know of any special prepping per se, I just know for sure he didn't get any at UT on what it takes to succeed at the next level.
he had one great season, 2 average seasons, and now he is crying about how the light gets in his eyes when he drops passes.my point was its hard to say he was "unprepared for the nfl" after 3 good seasons for the lions, yes they sucked, no he didnt set any records but he had good seasons
I don't know for certain, but it wouldn't surprise me if after he dropped a ball or two that Mack would say something like "don't worry Roy.... it's not your fault that the sun is so bright"i have to agree because im not following you, i dont know of any favors mack brown did him, besides recruiting a country boy from odessa, letting him start 4 years, throwing the ball to him, thats pretty much what i noticed
yes youre right, did he owe you money or something?, i think its well known that hes a different guy who really didnt give a about football anymore, he was a millionare, and an adult.
youre saying that proves he was coddled 15 years ago under mackovic, who recruited him and coached him for 3 years, and that THAT made mack brown coddle benson and vy and not prepare them for the nfl, and thats texas' style
thats a stretch but i get you
now we know colt mccoy is gonna suck in the nfl by default
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