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teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeto!
Forrest 2 best attributes are his Leg kicks and his cardio. He can set that pace for 15 or 25 min and not fade at all. He basically beat Page with leg kicks and cardio but like i said never came close to hurting him.
Dissapointed o lost, man he was close to taking that one
teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeto!
Damn!!
good payday for Kos..
Sherdog
Josh Koscheck made out like a bandit.
Koscheck banked $140,000 in post-fight bonuses after he submitted Anthony Johnson with a second-round rear-naked choke in the co-main event at UFC 106 “Ortiz vs. Griffin 2” on Saturday at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. The event drew 10,529 fans for a $3 million gate.
Koscheck, the polarizing 31-year-old American Kickboxing Academy standout, earned two $70,000 performance bonuses -- one for “Submission of the Night,” the other for “Fight of the Night.” Johnson, who submitted for the second time in his career, banked a $70,000 “Fight of the Night” bonus for his troubles. The talented Georgian -- who was docked a point for an illegal knee in the first round and survived a pair of eye pokes from Koscheck in the second -- held his own standing but looked overmatched when Koscheck brought him to the ground.
It would be nice. Also vs Johnson it could be a good show
Yea, I got dissapointed by Thiago. I thought he will run through Volkmann. 1st R KO, but probably UFC wanted to test him against 'wrestler'. His fight against Fitch was great though (almost got a win)Paulo Thiago vs. Jacob Volkmann:
Im still not sure what to think about Thiago. The Koscheck knock out is still a little fluky in my mind. Sure he dominated but against Jacob Volkman.. really? The dudes nickname is "christmas"Thiago did a good job moving Volkman against the cage and passing but I was impressed with how volkmann used to the cage and kept getting back to his feet. That cut had to have taken a lot of out him. Volkman is a great wrestler, but still has to add a lot to his game and we dont even know how good Thiago really is yet.
Well you wouldn't say that about Swick what you said about Hardy, but ok. Somebody must to fight GSP and Hardy is on a winning track and beat Swick (contender) fair and square. I do not know what fighting in US got to do with anything. octagon is the same in any arena.Josh Koscheck vs. Anthony Johnson:
I agree Kos is more worthy of a le shot than Hardy. And make Hardy fight outside of the UK for once, . Not sure if its a fair comparison but looked what happened to Bisping when he finally came out vs a legitmate opponent. Kos would up hardy imo, unless he got careless and left himself open. Hardy is no more dangerous than Johnson. Johnson and Hardy would really be a better match-up really. Somebody would get knocked the out. Hardy doesnt have the wrestling at all to even compete with GSP.
Kos will get his chance. I would like to see him against Fitch. If Fitch gonna win his next fight they should scheudle Kos vs him for the le shot.
I thought it was a 1st round o, second to Forest and third 10-8 ofcourse Forest.o Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin:
That was a good show.
Painkiller Addiction to Blame for Karo Pulling Out
by MicahW on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 AM EST 39 comments
Longtime friend and training partner of Karo's, Neil Melanson, has come out with Karo's permission and explained the reason for Karo pulling out of his UFC 106 fight with Dustin Hazelett.
"Karo’s had some problems with an addiction to pain medicine due to an injury he sustained a few years ago. Then when he started having these anxiety problems, it didn’t seem like the anxiety pills were helping him. The only thing that was helping him was the pain medication that he had been taking for his injuries. That’s when he just started down that slope. It’s just one of those situations where you have two guys that sit down to have a drink, and you have one guy that can go home and he’s fine, and the other guy has to go out and get wasted every single time because he’s an alcoholic. I think that maybe with the pills, that Karo is the second guy. Maybe he’s the guy that can’t take them here and there, or can’t use them effectively...
He told me that he was on pain medicine, but he wanted to get off. He had a plan and he was working his way to get off of it. About a month ago he was taking about half the amount that he usually does and he was pretty optimistic. He was really trying to push it. He was going through some withdrawals and he would try to push it as hard as he could to get off the stuff. He really had a plan to be off three weeks prior to the fight and he really wanted to clean up. He really wanted to do this right. It was really important to him and his family. I hadn’t spoken to him for just a little bit, and I guess he tried, but he couldn’t.
He contacted me and told me about the situation, and I said, ‘Look, just sleep on it and we’ll talk about it tomorrow’. I met with Greg Jackson and we had a little conversation about everything. From there I called Karo and I just told him, ‘Well you’re better off being honest now than piss testing and getting in trouble with the commission’. He did the right thing there and told them. He messed up, but people shouldn’t hate him for it. The guy has a legit problem right now. He did the right thing; he didn’t cheat, he didn’t lie, he didn’t do anything wrong. He just had a problem that he tried to overcome and he couldn’t do it. I think that everybody can sympathize with that. Karo has put on great shows in the past, and I think that he felt a lot of pressure to do that again...
Why did he show up for the fight at all if he knew he would get busted in the post fight drug test?? Doesn't it take like a week for that stuff to clear out of your system? He pulled out on Thu night..
He was drunk all week long and woke up Thursday
How was o/Forrest not the fight of the night. Not that I have a problem with some younger guys getting the money, but that was a GREAT fight o and Forrest put on.
I think you answered your own question there about the younger guys getting the money. o with his base and bonuses will likely make over a mil, Forrest has a good UFC deal as well..
I think that is why Dana is not cutting him slack here. He should have called the UFC a few weeks out and pulled out of this thing, not shown up in no state to pass a drug test and tell them 48 HRS before the fight,He was drunk all week long and woke up Thursday
"i can't go"..
wow didn't even know there was a ufc yesterday
Seriously..
Koscheck Twitter..
Looks like hardy vs GSP is a done deal! Gay if u ask me but my goal now is to fight any 1 who steps up to fight!! Maybe 12 fights n 2010?
me neither
That sucks for Karo, I've always liked him and his game. I hope he pulls it out and cleans up his mess, I really love watching his Judo.
Let's look at this year...Kos beats Johnson & Trigg, and loses by TKO to Paulo Thiago (who managed a decision on Volkmann's first fight in the UFC). Hardy beats Swick, Davis, & Markham (as well as Akhiro Gono the match before). I give him credit for taking fights on short notice, and improving his game since GSP beat him two years ago...but for real...he's being a , and I hope all 12 of his 2010 fights end with an ACTUAL knee to his head.
He should just man up and say "any fight I take, no matter who it is, is a fight I'd have to take after I win the le so might as well send people down the ladder now." His is weak. /end rant
Sherdog's UFC 106 Post-Mortem (yes, Evan, I realize that Sherdog is everything anti-UFC, but this raises some interesting points).
Monday, November 23, 2009
by Jake Rossen ([email protected])
If you believe o Ortiz’s post-fight confessional Saturday, it has become virtually impossible to defeat him without Ortiz starting the job himself. Cracked orbital, dislodged vertebrae, a washout training camp: one half-expected to see him wheeled out to the post-fight press conference in an iron lung.
In addition to obliterating his credibility, Ortiz’s admissions may have left some fans feeling downright defrauded: his main event with Forrest Griffin hinged on his claim that his back -- surgically repaired after years of problems -- was no longer an issue and he was in fine fighting form. (It was, it still is, and he was not.)
“I’ve been training pretty hard -- six days a week, eight hours a day -- and my body is at 100% with no more back problems,” he told AskMen.com this month, one of dozens of interviews repeating the same thing. In the fight, he looked rusty, tentative, and unable to counter Griffin’s gangling-frame attack. Some cutting elbows -- which caused Griffin to bleed impressively -- may have kept the fight from becoming a complete embarrassment for him.
There is now talk of Griffin and Ortiz coaching an eleventh season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” which sounds like something that should play in rotation in the seventh circle of . Aside from a strong first round by Ortiz in 2006 and some brief moments of positional control, Griffin has proved conclusively that he can out-scramble and out-strike this particular opponent. Enough already.
Next for Ortiz: A lesson explaining that post-fight bellyaching -- no matter how true -- only leaves you choking on sour grapes; maybe a fight with Rich Franklin.
Next for Griffin: Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, who looked sharp in his UFC debut against Luis Arthur Cane.
Next for Josh Koscheck: A rematch with Paulo Thiago, who worked over Jacob Volkmann Saturday.
Next for Amir Sadollah: Matt Brown or Ben Saunders; a mirror that lets him see what his barber has been doing to the back of his head.
Awards
The Mike Tyson Amateur Physician Award: o Ortiz, for declaring his training for Forrest Griffin was marred by a “fractured skull” and a “THX 1138 protruding vertebrae.” Or something.
The Mediator Award: Griffin, for attempting to use some of his crowd stroke by interrupting Ortiz’s oral gravedigging routine and telling fans that fighters get hurt training.
The Invitation-to-Re-Engineer Award: Mixed martial arts gloves, for allowing no less than four eye pokes during Saturday’s event. Virgin Atlantic is prepping sub-orbital civilian space flights by 2012 and we can’t find a glove that reduces the chances of corneal trauma?
The Broken-Record Award: Phil Baroni, for swearing yet again that he’d figured out his training woes and will use his opponent for target practice. You know the words by now: sing along next time.
New Questions
Can o Ortiz rally?
Ortiz looked flat and slow against Forrest Griffin, twelve years of ring wear and recurring spinal issues crumbling his offense into a fading carbon copy of what it once was. Naturally, he’ll try to convince fans that his next fight will be better, that he’s a new (or old) Ortiz, and that his performance will be well worth their $44.95. My advice: Inquire about refund terms before purchasing.
Does the UFC appreciate Josh Koscheck’s unsolicited opinion?
Fresh off an impressive victory over Anthony Johnson, Koscheck used his camera and microphone time to criticize Dan Hardy’s pending le shot. (And in saying Hardy “never fought anybody,” he may have bummed out training partner Mike Swick.) For a company with few options for Georges St. Pierre, Koscheck attempting to discredit Hardy may not have been preferable to some out-of-breath sponsor plugs.
How seriously should we take Ben Saunders?
He could’ve used a win against Swick last June, but Ben Saunders has exceeded expectations by showing some absolutely devastating Thai-clinch work against Brandon Wolff and a notoriously durable Marcus Davis. (Saunders understands how to use a long, rangy frame for maximum effect, a body/style marriage that not every fighter picks up on as well as he should.) He could be growing into a real problem at 170 -- assuming the Thai plum isn’t the only trick he’s worked out.
What’s motivating some of the UFC’s recent signing choices?
Despite being bounced from the promotion years ago, Frank Trigg, Phil Baroni, Caol Uno and Dennis Hallman have all been re-signed this year. Baroni and Trigg were obliterated: Uno collected a draw in his fight Saturday with Fabricio Camoes. If the idea is that each fight could conceivably see someone take a step closer to a le bid, none of these athletes are facing that direction; if the idea is to dull the shine on competing rosters by scooping up and then abusing talent, it’s working out nicely.
Etc.
A week after Manchester hosted over 16,000 fans, only 10,529 were seated in the Mandalay Bay Events Center for the event, calling into question Ortiz’s drawing power after an extended absence…Josh Koscheck and Anthony Johnson split a $140,000 Fight of the Night bonus salary; some believe that should’ve been signed over to Jacob Volkmann and Paulo Thiago.Koschek/Johnson, while sloppier thanks to the repeated fouling, was more compe ive and had more energy. Koscheck also collected $70,000 for Submission of the Night…Judge Lester Griffin took some post-fight criticism by UFC President Dana White following his 30-27 scorecard for Forrest Griffin. According to CompuStrike, Griffin landed twice as many strikes (100) as Ortiz in the bout. “Don’t leave it to the judges” is a nicely macho concept, but it ignores how incredibly tough and durable athletes at a high level can be. I don’t think MMA judges have done anything as heinous as boxing’s fiction writers ringside, but that day seems to be coming closer.
My brother was addicted to painkillers after a series of 3 surgeries over 2 or 3 years. It's a tough deal to beat.
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