Spurs are obviously better without Parker.

[Chieflion]

I think there is a lot of jealousy towards Tony Parker. Or maybe even racism. I think if you truly hate him as much as it seems like, you should take a break from the Spurs. Spurs aren't going to be w/o Tony anytime soon...

If anything, I love the Spurs for their international iden y. I am not American, so I don't know where the idea of racism comes from, especially when I am living in a country with many religions, races, and culture.

[Interrohater]

Look, Tony may be a good passer but he hasn't shown it. Someone has to bring up his bad points because Tony is not god. Some of you people act like he has no flaws at all and that is wrong. I said it should be easy for Tony to get assists because of our firepower but the field goal percentage sucks this season and Tony is not getting any assists, so what is wrong with that? Even his 7 assists has to be gotten because of the high pace the Warriors were playing. As a point guard, Parker's job is to control the pace, not let Monta Ellis' Warriors control it. I always thought assists were the most vague stat and there was nothing wrong with that. Don't bring Jason Kidd into this argument because he is a different player than Tony.

Well that's a fundamental difference of opinion that we have. Tony has recorded 8, 6, and 7 assists in his last three games, not just the Warriors game. So he can pass. Tony Parker's greatest strength is driving into the lane. Whether that produces a layup or a kickout for an open shot, the results are still good for the team. One of his assists on Wed. was a sidearm pass from the top of the key to a cutting Timmy for an easy layup. Dude can pass, but he's been groomed to do the exact things that you're complaining about.

Also, of course the Warriors controlled the pace. The Spurs, and Tony Parker, can only control their half of the tempo. If the Warriors are shooting seven seconds into their shotclock, that means there will be an extraordinary amount of shots taken throughout the game. In addition, the Warriors are not a great defensive team, meaning that if the lane is open, why should Tony pull it back just to set-up the offense? Again, his greatest talent is driving into the lane. To deny him that in order to "control the pace" would deny the team of very easy baskets. I understand your points, but there are logical reasons as to why these things are done.

I don't think Tony is god and I've never said that. I do, however, think that Tony is one of the greatest PG's playing the game right now, not just last year. Since when has it been decreed that a point guard must only be a distributor and to be the first-option on offense is sacrilege?

[ChumpDumper]

If anything, I love the Spurs for their international iden y. I am not American, so I don't know where the idea of racism comes from, especially when I am living in a country with many religions, races, and culture.

Greece?

[Interrohater]

I think there is a lot of jealousy towards Tony Parker. Or maybe even racism. I think if you truly hate him as much as it seems like, you should take a break from the Spurs. Spurs aren't going to be w/o Tony anytime soon...

Come on man, I don't know if anybody in America is racist against a black Frenchman. That's just weird. Don't play the race card because there are other races on the team and the racism-callout is for small minds that don't have the capacity to maintain a logical argument.

[Chieflion]

Well that's a fundamental difference of opinion that we have. Tony has recorded 8, 6, and 7 assists in his last three games, not just the Warriors game. So he can pass. Tony Parker's greatest strength is driving into the lane. Whether that produces a layup or a kickout for an open shot, the results are still good for the team. One of his assists on Wed. was a sidearm pass from the top of the key to a cutting Timmy for an easy layup. Dude can pass, but he's been groomed to do the exact things that you're complaining about.

Also, of course the Warriors controlled the pace. The Spurs, and Tony Parker, can only control their half of the tempo. If the Warriors are shooting seven seconds into their shotclock, that means there will be an extraordinary amount of shots taken throughout the game. In addition, the Warriors are not a great defensive team, meaning that if the lane is open, why should Tony pull it back just to set-up the offense? Again, his greatest talent is driving into the lane. To deny him that in order to "control the pace" would deny the team of very easy baskets. I understand your points, but there are logical reasons as to why these things are done.

I don't think Tony is god and I've never said that. I do, however, think that Tony is one of the greatest PG's playing the game right now, not just last year. Since when has it been decreed that a point guard must only be a distributor and to be the first-option on offense is sacrilege?

Look, I am not criticising Parker's play in the Warriors' game cause he played well, doing what is best for the team. But is he consistent enough to it against different types of teams? Great cannot describe Tony Parker, he is not at that level yet. Excellence can describe him once in a while. We need him to be at least excellent every game.

[Chieflion]

Greece?

I live in Singapore. Greece is for KBP.

[Interrohater]

Look, I am not criticising Parker's play in the Warriors' game cause he played well, doing what is best for the team. But is he consistent enough to it against different types of teams? Great cannot describe Tony Parker, he is not at that level yet. Excellence can describe him once in a while. We need him to be at least excellent every game.

Dude, there's just no winning with you. You did criticize Tony's play against the Warriors, and I just showed you that he's consistent enough to do it against different types of teams. This is not his first year in the league, he's shown time and time again that he can do it consistently. If you're really only focused on this season, then your argument is not fair because he has not even played against every team yet.

Also, great CAN describe Tony Parker because he is at, and has been at, "that level." Three championships, a finals MVP, NBA All-Star, blah blah blah. I really don't understand your criteria for a "great" player if you think these accolades are not even worth the recognition.

By the way, it seems that you must have a player in mind that you think would fit better at the point for the Spurs who is "great." Who would that be?

[Chieflion]

Dude, there's just no winning with you. You did criticize Tony's play against the Warriors, and I just showed you that he's consistent enough to do it against different types of teams. This is not his first year in the league, he's shown time and time again that he can do it consistently. If you're really only focused on this season, then your argument is not fair because he has not even played against every team yet.

Also, great CAN describe Tony Parker because he is at, and has been at, "that level." Three championships, a finals MVP, NBA All-Star, blah blah blah. I really don't understand your criteria for a "great" player if you think these accolades are not even worth the recognition.

By the way, it seems that you must have a player in mind that you think would fit better at the point for the Spurs who is "great." Who would that be?

I said he did not control the pace, that was criticism. I will admit. Otherwise he played great. Finals MVP? I think anyone could have scored those points, be it Manu or Tim. They let Parker take on the scoring load because it was to their advantage against an injured Larry Hughes. He won one championship as a role player. He could have played much better this season. Spurs roll when Parker rolls. When he doesn't, we are ed. That's all. I have been giving Tony backhanded compliments for those who do open their eyes. He has his flaws and his accomplishments are there not solely on his play. It was because there was a man called Tim Duncan who makes everyone look good around him. Parker is excellent, not great only because he is not particularly good at the defensive side of the court.

The point guard in my mind? He has already retired. Isiah Thomas would have made a more fantastic point guard in the Spurs system.

[Sotongball21]

Selamat Hari Raya dude.

I just hate people wanting to trade TP at the start of the season.
He is very important for this spurs team. How can we trade someone that is MADE to run the Spurs offense. That puzzles me.

[Chieflion]

Selamat Hari Raya dude.

I just hate people wanting to trade TP at the start of the season.
He is very important for this spurs team. How can we trade someone that is MADE to run the Spurs offense. That puzzles me.

Dude, it is Haji if I remember correctly, and I am not even Malay. I don't want to trade Parker, at least until there is a major steal or someone like Wade wants in.

[Sotongball21]

Haha, Its Hari Raya Haji. I am a Chinese Muslim. mm

No, i am not saying you want to trade Parker, but it is baffling to know that people want to trade parker.

[ducks]

no point guard with the spurs would average 15 assist a game unless pop changes the o
it is motion offensive
tp,manu and duncan can get 5-10 assist a game
all of them can not get 10 a game though

[Interrohater]

Finals MVP? I think anyone could have scored those points, be it Manu or Tim. They let Parker take on the scoring load because it was to their advantage against an injured Larry Hughes. He won one championship as a role player. He could have played much better this season. Spurs roll when Parker rolls. When he doesn't, we are ed. That's all. .

First Bold: It's amazing that you can be so dismissive of Tony's performance in those finals. If Tony had won a regular season MVP, you'd probably have an excuse for that as well.

Second Bold: You make it sound as if this season is over when it's just begun.

Third Bold: Parker had 6 points in the win over Milwaukee. We weren't f*cked.

I'm not even sure what you're complaining about anymore. We've all admitted that Tony has deficiencies, but so does every player in the game. And since you think Isiah would be a much better point guard, then I think Larry Bird would be the perfect 3 point shooting big to space out the floor for Timmy. Bonner sux compared to Bird.

[Cry Havoc]

Look, Tony may be a good passer but he hasn't shown it. Someone has to bring up his bad points because Tony is not god. Some of you people act like he has no flaws at all and that is wrong. I said it should be easy for Tony to get assists because of our firepower but the field goal percentage sucks this season and Tony is not getting any assists, so what is wrong with that? Even his 7 assists has to be gotten because of the high pace the Warriors were playing. As a point guard, Parker's job is to control the pace, not let Monta Ellis' Warriors control it. I always thought assists were the most vague stat and there was nothing wrong with that. Don't bring Jason Kidd into this argument because he is a different player than Tony.

You know very little about the Spurs offense, then. It is NOT designed to get a point guard assists. The Suns offense runs like that. Nash passes to a player who immediately shoots or dunks.

The Spurs do not run a one pass offense. It is not about creating opportunities for a point guard to get assists. It is about either 1) getting easy buckets via the oppositions' inability to stop Parker from driving right to the rim, or 2) Passing the ball around to find an open player on the kickout, or Duncan on a positional mismatch inside.

Had you paid any attention to our offense over the Popovich era, you would not have such trivial concerns.

By the way, Tony averaged seven assists per game last year. He's been hurt most of this season and definitely not at 100%, and you're criticizing him because "he didn't control the tempo".

I don't know what you call 32 points on 10-18 shooting, with SEVENTEEN FREE THROWS, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, and SEVEN ASSISTS, but to me that's a of a statline and demonstrates complete command of the Warriors defense. How is it Parker's fault that Ellis went off when Tony wasn't even guarding him for the majority of the game?

Again. You're talking about pace control. How is 17 free throws not doing exactly that?

[TDMVPDPOY]

one of the strengths tony has over ghill3 is whining to the refs after every failed drive attempt, i hope ghill3 doesnt pick up the veterans bad traits....

[Interrohater]

one of the strengths tony has over ghill3 is whining to the refs after every failed drive attempt, i hope ghill3 doesnt pick up the veterans bad traits....

yea, let's hope the Hill doesn't do the same thing that every player in the NBA does.

[mathbzh]

Disclaimer:
I am not saying Parker is the passer Nash is. IMHO Nash is a great passer and Parker is a good one.

no point guard with the spurs would average 15 assist a game unless pop changes the o
it is motion offensive
tp,manu and duncan can get 5-10 assist a game
all of them can not get 10 a game though

I still don't understand how people can't get that...

Steve Nash as a Suns since 2004: 0.31 assist per min, best season: 11.6 apg, worst 9.7 apg.
Steve Nash as a Mavs:0.21 assist per min, best season 8.8 apg (scoring only 14 ppg, his worst mark in 4 season). Considering the Mavs were not exactly a slow pace team, his passing numbers were good but not really great.

Either a 30 yo Steve Nash suddenly evolved from good to HOFer passer or it is just that the assist numbers are highly dependent on the team offensive organisation.

[mathbzh]

Just one just funny thing (because I don't thing many people would suggest Chris Paul is not a good PG).
So far this season:
Hornets with Paul: 3W-7L.
Hornets without Paul: 4W-2L

Paul splits:
In games won: 31 pts/7ast
In games lost: 20 pts/10 ast

I am not saying Paul is a problem for the Hornets (the sample is really small). Sometime teams regroup when their leader is down. Players step up and assume bigger responsibilities... But maybe we should take some distance with numbers.
Maybe dominating the ball as much as Paul does is the best way to transform a talented Stojakovic in a Bonner like player? Maybe West is not just a finisher but can create a little bit...

[Chieflion]

You know very little about the Spurs offense, then. It is NOT designed to get a point guard assists. The Suns offense runs like that. Nash passes to a player who immediately shoots or dunks.

The Spurs do not run a one pass offense. It is not about creating opportunities for a point guard to get assists. It is about either 1) getting easy buckets via the oppositions' inability to stop Parker from driving right to the rim, or 2) Passing the ball around to find an open player on the kickout, or Duncan on a positional mismatch inside.

Had you paid any attention to our offense over the Popovich era, you would not have such trivial concerns.

By the way, Tony averaged seven assists per game last year. He's been hurt most of this season and definitely not at 100%, and you're criticizing him because "he didn't control the tempo".

I don't know what you call 32 points on 10-18 shooting, with SEVENTEEN FREE THROWS, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, and SEVEN ASSISTS, but to me that's a of a statline and demonstrates complete command of the Warriors defense. How is it Parker's fault that Ellis went off when Tony wasn't even guarding him for the majority of the game?

Again. You're talking about pace control. How is 17 free throws not doing exactly that?

Look, this is a typical Tony Parker dominant game. For a guy like Parker, who called himself a top defender at the point guard position, having to defer his defensive responsibility to George Hill and Keith Bogans, against Monta Ellis, who has been on fire a few games going into the match, is wrong. During the Warriors' game, Parker had many easy opportunities to get his own. He tries to get his own first. That is part of his game. I am concerned that if his shot does not fall, then what?

[Chieflion]

First Bold: It's amazing that you can be so dismissive of Tony's performance in those finals. If Tony had won a regular season MVP, you'd probably have an excuse for that as well.

Second Bold: You make it sound as if this season is over when it's just begun.

Third Bold: Parker had 6 points in the win over Milwaukee. We weren't f*cked.

I'm not even sure what you're complaining about anymore. We've all admitted that Tony has deficiencies, but so does every player in the game. And since you think Isiah would be a much better point guard, then I think Larry Bird would be the perfect 3 point shooting big to space out the floor for Timmy. Bonner sux compared to Bird.

If Tony had a regular season MVP, I would shut up. Dominating 82 games is not easy. Dominating the injured Cavs in the finals for 4 games for a player of Tony's calibre is too simple for him. No one said the season was over, you said it. I just thought a player entering his prime would be playing much better than his past year. Parker had 6 points in the win over Milwaukee and Bonner had 23. Do you think Bonner can score 23 every game?

[gilmor]

I live in Singapore. Greece is for KBP.

Muahaha.. that explains your stupidity

[romain.star]

I just thought a player entering his prime would be playing much better than his past year.

Parker has only played 8 games while being injured in the meantime...
Nevertheless, you are willing to draw conclusions about the level of a guy who has been around for 9 years now.

So if it is just to say that the kid is not a first-pass PG, we got your point and we agree thanx

[Brazil]

Chieflion you are a cool guy and you can post good stuff and analysis. Obviously you don't like the kind of player parker is there is nothing wrong about that. Now you have to keep in mind that TP can modify and improve his game but he is what he is, he won't change drastically and become I Thomas. You should also recognize how great it is to have a guard dishing 6-7 assists taking 20 shots at 50% FG and give the guy a break if he has a difficult 10 first games.

[Sotongball21]

Muahaha.. that explains your stupidity

Dude, whats up with you and Singaporeans?

Back to topic, everyone knows that the spurs offense will not give Parker more than 15 assist. That is the way the spurs play. IMHO, Parker is a good passer, there is no doubt about it.

[Chieflion]

Dude, whats up with you and Singaporeans?

Back to topic, everyone knows that the spurs offense will not give Parker more than 15 assist. That is the way the spurs play. IMHO, Parker is a good passer, there is no doubt about it.

Most people don't even know anything about Singapore. It is great to see how he has misconceptions about Singaporeans and know jack about Asia in particular. We have a better government than most countries and they are probably just jealous. I heard stupid things about Singapore from Europeans and US citizens in general. An example would be, "Is it some part of China?"