KObe disrespected Ewing, Willis Reed and Walt Frazier

[ChrisRichards]

Stockton, the greatest pure PG to play the game=role player?
Malone, one of the greatest power forwards to play the game=role player?

I know that these guys weren't able to beat Jordan in the 90s' but how many did?

im tellin you some of these guys are just either too young or just plain dumb

[ChrisRichards]

if kobe counts hof'ers as "role players" what does that make pau gasol and lamar odom?

exactly

[Chef Boyardee]

Why are you so butthurt over what he said about the Knicks anyway. They've been irrelevant since the early 70's. It's horrible franchise that deserves to be ted on.

[ezau]

im tellin you some of these guys are just either too young or just plain dumb

Lakaluva is a hopeless lunatic. I know that he'll suck Kobe's in a heartbeat but the fact that he completely disregards other players' accomplishments is unheard of.

[NBA Junkie]

Assuming that Kobe knows the history of the Knicks of the late '60's/early '70's, perhaps what he meant to say was that Reed and Frazier didn't have to be as impactful due to the fact that Dave Debusschere and Bill Bradley were also HOF'ers and that they took a lot of the load off those two players.

I believe that is why he refers to them as more team oriented.

[JoeTait75]

Lets be real about this. Kobe used the term "marquee in association with "superstar." These terms are loosely thrown around by the average fan. Like today, there are only two superstars in the league, Kobe and James. Nash won B2B MVP's. Was he a marquee player? no! You have to understand the difference between a Thoroughbred and a Mule.

That makes sense. But you called David Robinson and John Stockton role players. When you say "role player" I think guys like Rick Fox.

[pauls931]

Yup, Stockton. His greatest attribute was his health. I can take 20 PG's over the years, and put them on that same team, let them play 20 years, and they would have given the same result. He was a role player.

Dude, quit posting utter nonsense to piss people off.

[Cleveland Steamer]

no surprises here. Kobe disrespects his own teammates so why wouldn't he disrespect some old Knicks?

[pauls931]

Answer the question paul. Was Barkely and Drexler marquee players? Yes or no.

I'd probably say yes and yes, just because you're removing players from your original claim to try to win a losing argument.

[NBA Junkie]

No that's not what he meant, none of those guys were marquee players, and he's right. I have a question for you so-called know-it-alls. Was Barkely and Drexler marquee players?

Whatever.

It's downright preposterous that he claims that players like Reed and Frazier weren't marquee players when many fans, coaches and players of that era would claim otherwise.

As a previous poster said earlier in the thread, it's Kobe being his usual arrogant, charming self.

[oligarchy]

Name one player that saying this, that's as great as Kobe?

Name all of the "marquee" players that have existed in the NBA please.

[NBA Junkie]

Name one player that saying this, that's as great as Kobe?

Many would argue that Reed and Frazier were just as impactful during that time as Kobe is right now.

I guess you're basing Kobe's brilliance on the fact that he has 4 rings to their 1. If that's the case, then I guess that LeBron and DWade don't belong in his class either.

I'm not arguing this any further. The whole thing is silly since I'm arguing with a Laker homer who is defending one of his own.

[Culburn369]

Frazier is arguable.

Reed & Ewing are not. Luva's assessment of them is dead on accurate.

[Culburn369]

You guys fail to adress the fact that MJ didn't consider Barkely and Drexler as marquee players.

Luva painted 'em into a corner quite nice & tidy.

tee, hee.

[oligarchy]

Not many. I'll give a few, but overall less than 20.

Mikan
Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
MJ
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
And James will eventually be one when he leaves Cleveland. Walton would have been without the injuries.

Keep in mind, I purposely left off Dr. J, Pistol, Walton, West, Moses, Malone, and many other players of that caliber.

So you are basically saying what Kobe said is idiotic, seeing that Lebron and Wade both aren't marquee players either according to you.

[ElNono]

If you are MJ, and the best player of your era, and you say, "the Warriors never had a marquee player."

First of all, Kobe is not MJ. Not even close.
Second of all, Kobe is not the best player of his era.

Now, please leave the GOAT out of this. Kobe is the one talking out of his ass here.

[FkLA]

Just Kobe being the narcissistic dbag that he is. Nothing to see here.

[Culburn369]

First of all, Kobe is not MJ. Not even close.

True, Kobe is not MJ. Is he close? He's lurking. 2 more rings though? Oh, my.

[Culburn369]

You see these ing snakes?

You put the stopper in the bottle with the MJ question.

[ElNono]

True, Kobe is not MJ. Is he close? He's lurking. 2 more rings though? Oh, my.

You mean 5 more rings...

[oligarchy]

At least do me the service of following along in the posts before you go challenging me. I already said that Kobe was wrong for including Wade, he's a role player. As much as I hate James.... He's going to eventually learn to play his position, and allow his teammates to grow, and then he will be unstoppable and maybe win some rings. His decision this summer will be career breaking.

So, Kobe's an idiot, as well as you. Thanks for clarifying you're a ing idiot. You fail to follow your own logic, I don't need to "challenge" you. You own yourself. You should do yourself a favor and read your posts.

I'll break down the points, since you are apparently too much of an idiot to follow them through the posts. Kobe basically said, Ewing, Reed and Frazier weren't marquee, but Wade and James were. You said Wade isn't marquee, and later said James would someday be marquee, which means neither are marquee. So, you're a ing idiot.

[Bob Lanier]

I don't have a problem with what he said. In Los Angeles you have to be a circus freak to draw a crowd; New York stands on its own and its sports teams stand on their merits. Every notable Knicks team has been better defensively than LA fans would ever tolerate, and every notable Lakers team has been more star-studded than New York fans would ever require.

The problem is that the Knicks suck. And LeBron or Wade won't be a cure-all for that.

[ElNono]

Ok, I have a taker. Lets assume everything you say about Kobe is true. Was Jordan correct in saying that Pippen, Barkely, and Drexler were not marquee players?

I want to see the quote where MJ says that Barkley and Drexler are not marquee players. All I've seen so far is MJ telling somebody that they won't win a ring with Barkley or that he wanted to prove Drexler's game was not close to his...

So let's see it... where's MJ saying Barkley is not a marquee player... heck, even a superstar or HOF'er... show me the quote. Same thing with Drexler.

[Culburn369]

You mean 5 more rings...

No, 2 more rings. They'd each have 6 and one could argue Kobe without reservation.

[ElNono]

No, 2 more rings. They'd each have 6 and one could argue Kobe without reservation.

Kobe has 1 ring as the leader of a team. MJ has 6. You do the math.