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Excellent work gang.
I know youre used to arguing with the same people about the same stuff, but you are clearly letting your personal beliefs interfere with your logic and reason here.
Declarative statements about the capabilities and shortcomings of science have made men greater than you or I look a fool, try not to repeat their mistakes.
Excellent work gang.
Like how to cure Cancer, and what it's like to really land on the Moon for starters...
How about paying 25 cents instead of 8 dollars for each Tylenol capsule you take when your in the hospital? that would surprise the out of me, how about you?this wouldnt suprise me one bit....
Who do you think owns 90% of the hospitals? it's Joe the tax payer.
And besides why would you support 8 dollar Tylenol pills,you work in the medical field or health care industry?
I like how the uneducated Atheist of the Club are quick to make a topic every time Scientists find a new insect or has another bull theory about how life was formed, or how we can some day travel to Mars for bed and breakfast.
If your going to take the time to make another Science is da bomb topic make sure it's worth reading....like, "Scientist just found a cure for Alzheimer's disease"
But don't get me wrong I love Aliens and time travel, in fact I can't wait until we can finally one day travel back in time to when the economy was good and there was no war in Iraq, I am sure we can come up with a cool scientific gizmo to take us back to the Bill Clinton era or is that to far back to travel?
What are my personal beliefs? Tell me, please. Otherwise, you've no leg to stand.
Everyone loves to pull this card, but yet no one knows my personal beliefs. They think because I may think the universe is young, or created, that somehow I couldn't beleive in aliens? Ignorant fools.
Fact: no one knows my personal beliefs, therefore, it is easily concluded by a small child no one has any ability to assert they are clouding my judgment except someone who has defininite, personal knowledge of said beliefs.
2nd, it's very clear, in black and white ink for all to see, that traveling faster than light is impossible. Not my beliefs.
3rd, addressing Phyzik's quotes - men are constantly wrong. However, nearly 100% of the scientific community (those who don't, believe the earth is flat because of a large conspiracy) agrees with my position as VERIFIABLE fact.
Yet you actively assert assumptions about my beliefs, and how they have clouded my logic. Try not to repeat that mistake.Declarative statements about the capabilities and shortcomings of science have made men greater than you or I look a fool, try not to repeat their mistakes.
Even though you have just let your arrogance show, because I think you know me a bit better than these guys I supposedly debate about this stuff all the time (i rarely do, and have stated before that I don't think aliens of intelligible nature exist in the universe, at least, anywhere close to us), I assure you my beliefs about God have nothing to do with this argument - I'm arguing based purely on verifiable scientific speculation.
Finally, someone mentioned aliens living in the galaxy. Highly doubtful to the point of impossibility. According to widely accepted mainstream theories backed by notable evidence, the solar system, and earth existed much differently at its birth. In fact, if it did not, all ideas about abiogenesis as we know it are impossible. And obviously, one needs abiogenesis (using accepted theories and not my own beliefs here, throughout but I will keep repeating it since everyone wants to stupidly assume they have no clue about) to have life.
Life can't simply arise in our galaxy anymore, and if intelligent life was ever around our galaxy (little to no chance, IMO based on the facts and my analysis) the chances are proportionately even higher that it's been gone for a long, long time and buried by sands of time we'll never dig up.
I think it was a fair assumption about your beliefs because a few of us, myself included, made statements that were immediately met with insults...typical thumper defense mechanism. You didn't even bother engaging the conversation with me. You went right to an insult. I wasn't the only one.
No one here came to battle. Seems like you were looking for a fight.
What are your beliefs? Can you share them with insulting anyone?
ZOsa rules of posting in the club....
If you talk bad about NASA your against science and exploration.
If you disagree with Darwin your a Bible thumping Angel_luver
If you post any question about 9/11 you wear a tin foil hat and you believe in Bigfoot.
If you post you don't think the earth is 4 billion years old your ignorant misguided Jesus freak.
And if you disagree with Pyhzik he will post in the topic he bought you a beer back in 2002 at ST gtg and you never paid him back.
just to name a few.......
Who'd I insult, Mr. Deflection Because I Don't Have Any Answers?
Let me guess: you're butthurt because you made a ridiculously stupid comment, and I called it just that. To quote you exactly: Stop being such a pussy.
Besides you failing incredibly bad and me calling it out, what happened?
I honestly don't give a about these types of debates, evolution/creationism aside ... if you want to believe that somewhere, across the universe, things start functioning fundamentally different than here in the Milky Way, go ahead. I'll stick to verifiable evidence so a real debate can occur. I mean, it's very clear my beliefs aren't clouding the picture if you look at the evidence. It's YOUR beliefs that are clouding the picture, your unfounded beliefs I might add.
Instead of getting all defensive (which is what everyone else did, not me) you should realize everything is speculation and anyone COULD be wrong, that's not the fun of it.
Last edited by z0sa; 11-30-2009 at 03:12 PM.
Wasnt attacking you. Sorry you took it that way.
You believe science will never be able to travel the stars, whatever the means of travel are (FTL, wormhole, space folding, etc). Astrophysicists the world over disagree vehemently. Take that for what you will.
Sorry I figured your still in the topic you must have some interest in the matter.
I know it was not an attack. It's just everytime someone who knows my posting history can, they bring my beliefs into it - and no one knows any but the most general ideas concerning my personal beliefs.
Basically, I dislike being told "You are letting _____ get in the way," without the person actually having anything to put in the blank. I know you didn't mean any harm, actually had a strong take in terms of our total lack of knowledge outside the planet, but it is misplaced to state my judgment has been clouded.
It would be incredibly magnificent, could we pull it off. However, I also find that humans being so small and easily destroyed, it will be just as incredibly difficult an accomplishment. Especially when we're going so far away from observable experimentation, it's absurd. We don't know what's on the "other side" of a wormhole, if anything, though we can speculate through mathematical formulae. Actually crossing over the wormhole without being squashed into an atom sized nutrient by the sheer force would be great, but at this point, we don't have anything existing in the universe that could avert its affects. Or teleportation: being destroyed and put back together, atom for atom, may be possible with a powerful enough quatum computer, but first doesn't that scare anyone (don't you die during the event? I don't care about afterlives or anything right now in this debate, doesn't that just BOTHER you?) and second, perhaps most importantly, teleporting hundreds of light years away seems impossible IMO. How would we ever explore a whole galaxy without even knowing the locations of planets, stars, and more importantly smaller celestial objects that would jeopordize our people. This isn't event horizon. Technology can't avert the wall of Nature, a wall so tall that no technology can surpass it.You believe science will never be able to travel the stars, whatever the means of travel are (FTL, wormhole, space folding, etc). Astrophysicists the world over disagree vehemently. Take that for what you will.
In conclusion, I will admit anything is possible within Nature - but I think traveling the stars is something nature may not permit, for a variety of reasons.
To attain a true idea of the nature and composition of this science [astronomy], it is indispensable...to mark the boundaries of the positive knowledge that we are able to gain of the stars....We can never by any means investigate their chemical composition.
- Auguste Comte, Cours de philosophie positive (1842)
73% hydrogen, 25% helium, 1.3 % C,N,O, 0.5% everything else
Comte's thinking was in terms of literally sampling the composition of stars in a laboratory setting, and he was correct in believing that we couldn't get close enough to stars in order to do so. However, he was at fault in that he didn't think outside the box, which is the foundation of human ingenuity.
Only a couple years after Comte died, scientists were able to piece together the composition of stars merely by observing the absortion lines in their spectrum.
Instead of physically sampling the stars' composition, all they had to do was analyze the light that stars emitted.
Comte was known as a genius in his day. In our day, we know him as a fool for this statement.
Fair enough, guilty as charged.
I was thinking about this after reading it and found your perspective on teleportation interesting. Because youre right....medically speaking, you are certainly dead while being transferred/teleported.Or teleportation: being destroyed and put back together, atom for atom, may be possible with a powerful enough quatum computer, but first doesn't that scare anyone (don't you die during the event? I don't care about afterlives or anything right now in this debate, doesn't that just BOTHER you?)
If anything, this should raise questions about the definition of life, if humans become capable of teleporting their physical person any sort of distance.
The philosophical implications are boundless if you really think about it. Interesting point you made.
oh man, z0sa
just shut the up about the personal attack bull .. stop wasting people's time and stick to the subject.
You do know your favorite team shows up next to each post, right?
it's not possible. really, it's not.
I see 2 ways of achieving this teleportation
1) literally deconstructing the subject and MOVING all the material to another place, then reconstructing it. this is not even possible. if you change the composition and temperature of elements, they CHANGE. That eyeball you had, that was x% water, xyz, etc. ? Yeah, uh, sorry the xyz formed into something else, the xyz is gone, the elements were altered due to the exposure, temperature, whatever, and method........
so many problems with this.
even IF you somehow transported ALL of these materials and did not change their composition/harm them, how would you transport it wirelessly? the power required would overheat all of the material.....
it's not possible.
and then,
even IF you somehow reached your destination with the deconstructed 'parts'........ how would you put it back together without altering it? Overheating cells, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, all of these things CHANGE when exposed to temperature changes and bond with other elements. How would you prevent these elements from unwanted bonds with each other during transport or reconstruction?
it's just not possible.
2) making a duplicate subject at the destination point.
in which case, you could either sacrifice the traveler at the departure point, sacrifice him in favor of gathering all the information you need to teleport him, OR you can leave the subject be, 'scan' him somehow and copy every single thing in his body, down to every cell and atom, and then construct a duplicate at the Destination point.
in which case, this isn't teleportation anymore, it's cloning. You'd now have 2 travelers.
and who's to say that memory can be copied? Would they even be the same person?
In both scenarios, the body your wife touched, the hand your wife and children held, is gone at the Destination point. Both travelers at the destination point are no longer the same organism, but an entirely new one.
sorry guys, I realize it's cool to say things like "There are no limits to science!!!!!!!!" to keep hope alive for ideas you like.... but teleportation isn't happening.
Worm hole type traveling, so you go from one place to another? maybe....but that's not teleporting, that's just traveling through space.
The key is understanding the flesh.........
ROFL. thanks for your thoughts, kid that doesn't know
traveling faster than speed of light is possible.
the universe expanded by a factor of at least 10^26 and possibly 10^40 between 10^-36 and 10^-32 seconds during the big bang.
objects traveling within spacetime cannot travel faster than the speed of light, but spacetime itself is not limited to its own laws of physics.
that said, if they need a teleportation guinea pig, i'll sign up
maybe i'll find an ancient civilization and enslave them by claiming im an omnipotent being by using my vastly superior technology.
Last edited by The Reckoning; 11-30-2009 at 11:33 PM.
Can humans exist outside of space-time?
Cocaine is a powerful drug
i dont know. i said there is proof that spacetime itself is not limited to the speed of light - not that we'd have to travel outside of spacetime.
that's thinking too outside the box. ha.
its all about a frame of reference. you might be sitting still when observing yourself in reference to your chair, but when observing yourself in reference to the earth, you are traveling at over 50,000 mph.
some scientists theorize that spacetime can be warped to travel faster than the speed of light (since its not limited to the speed of light) while we wouldnt be traveling that fast in our own individual frame of reference.
traveling is not the same as teleportation, though
if you jump through space by going through a theoretical worm hole, that's travel, not teleportation.
same as going through time.......
which is also not possible because time is an invention of humanity. The rotation of the earth caused the Sun to rise and set every 'day', thus bringing a 'new day' on the morrow, and giving humanity a sense of time.... as if each 'day and night' was separate from the last. which caused us to think it actually exists.
it doesn't. the universe is only in the NOW.
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