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We could just give the government more money and see if the problem magically works itself out. Although if that strategy hasn't worked over the several decades we've been trying it, I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath.
Does anyone have ideas? I don't mean the end-all solution but just something. A goal of 50 years where we are in the top ten of the world.
We could just give the government more money and see if the problem magically works itself out. Although if that strategy hasn't worked over the several decades we've been trying it, I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath.
get more parents to give a damn.
No diploma, no driver's license.
This was an interesting idea I heard a while back from some expert on the radio. Separate classrooms for boys and girls. Theory being that it would help classroom discussion because boys don't want to look stupid in front of girls and girls don't want to look too smart in front of boys. Not sure how true that is, but I thought it was an interesting theory.
Get rid of all the illegal alliens, make every girl at a certain age (i say 13) get on birth control (boys if they can get a shot or a pill), cameras in every classroom, strict city curfews, nuns with rulers, principals with big ass paddles, armed police officer at every school and a bunch or different punishments lined up for the real dumbasses that don't fall in line.
kill half of them.
the others will fall in line.
and make sure they understand that facism is a good thing.
Far from it. Instead of knocking peoples thoughts and putting them nice and neat into one little negative word, why don't you come up with some good ideas. "Get some parents to give a damn" is not cutting it, son. Alot of these parents that should be giving a damn quit school to raise the baby they just had. Eliminate the threat. Make it a law you can't have kids until, lets say 18. Unless you think its cool for 13,14,15,16,17 year olds to do so. Nothing wrong about going on birth control.
No jack the parent problem is the biggie. my spaouse has taught for over 15 yrs and #1 on her list is parents who don't give a damn. In fact more times than not, she has meetings with parents and they end uip denying their kid has a problem and call her a racist. One funny moment was when a hispanic man told her that he knew she didn't like mexicans... our son is half mexican... so getting more parents involved is a big part of it.. I can post a graph if you'd like?
Hold parents accountable.
Registration for reproduction.
Create more incentives for Asians and Indians to immigrate to the states.
nothing is wrong with birth control, but that should be a personal choice.
for a person who has said that govt has their hands on way too much, i'm quite surprised that you would feel so strongly about mandatory birth control.
i think a nice mix of what you both propose is in order. coming from a really poor school district i've seen just exactly how a parents involvement can change the outcome of student productivity. so hold them responsible. make parent teacher conferences mandatory by law, fines issued to the parents if they don't show up.
if you truly feel that student pregnancy is the issue, then make sex ed available in schools. offer free birth control to students.
but our biggest problems aren't there. we just don't have the same standards as other parts of the world. , mexico's secondary education is at a higher standard (when families can afford to not have the kids work) than our freggin community colleges. we need to abolish standardized testing, because even the nice districts now, still teach to the tests. we need smaller schools instead of these mega schools out their where students fall through the cracks. we need to end summer being off time. honestly the list is too big, think 50 year plan.
It's quite simple. We just need to tax the out of home owners and give more money to the teachers union.
Duh!
Some of the biggest dumbasses I knew growing up couldn't hook up with a girl and churn out kids if they wanted to. The problem is in the parents and our useless society. You don't see this problem in Japan because you are a failure if you suck at school, whereas you are cool if you suck at academics in the states. Sometime around high school these stupid kids realize they are about to get nowhere in life and its too late to turn it around.
Our society encourages failure and consumerism. Even poor underdeveloped countries have better treatment towards education in society. There's a reason so many foreigners go to top ins utions here. They crave the education that we provide and do not consume.
There should be way more vocational training at high schools. No, getting course credit for leaving at 2:00 and going to work at Subway doesn't count (it's sickening that my high school had a class filled with people who did precisely this for course credit). Teach kids to be plumbers, electricians, mechanics, cooks, carpenters, how to work sheet metal, etc. Instead of turning out graduates who don't know , give them a skill so they're not forced to just be replaceable cogs in a machine (what any unskilled worker is).
It's sickening that our educational system is constructed with the intent that everyone should go to college. It waters down college-prep courses to the point that they always teach to the lowest student in the class (save the AP classes, which are challenging in my experience). Only people intending to go to college should be doing college-prep. College-prep courses should be tough, and unforgiving, just like college is, or at least should be ( coddling and propping kids' self-esteem). High-school college-prep is WAY too easy, which is why you have tons of people who get the shock of their lives in college first semester of freshman year. Maybe if college-prep was more indicative of college work, you wouldn't see so many people wasting their money and driving up the prices of everyone else's educations for something they're not ready for and not really interested in.
Scrap standardized testing. I hate that schools teach a test that aims low instead of teaching a subject, but it's always going to happen that way when funding is tied to performance on one exam.
has anyone ever wondered why the top schools dont offer teachers credentials? wouldnt you want a harvard or other excellent school to have teachers for your kids? that could be one solution just have the best teach the kids and another $$$, classes shouldnt have more than 25 students anymore destroys any shot to learn
Teaching is boring. I don't think it matters how much you offered; you're never going to get people who would normally go into research or business on their own teaching at the secondary level.
The schools would do better if they were not mandatory. May not be the best thing for the nation, but, ya know, the schools would do a lot better...
You can't make parents care.
Alot of people give teachers way too much credit! Guess what, there are some bad ing teachers out there. In fact, there are ALOT of bad teachers out there. I would say there are more bad teachers than good teachers.
But they get sooooooo much credit because they are teaching kids. "Yea for us" It's all bull . The le should come with responsibility. You pay someone to teach, they should be ing good at it. All you hear is how bad kids are nowadays, how ty the pay is, how the parents don't care, you know all the same bull they have been saying for all of mankind. You know all the same bull they have been saying before these teachers became TEACHERS. This saying, teachers are overrated talk generally comes down to most idiots out there, a chicken or egg discussion. Truth is, you either are good at teaching or not. Most people are not.
Of course parents can be to blame. The school can be the blame. The kid could be the blame. Laws could be the blame. Illegal Alliens could be to blame. Look at SA, 2nd dumbest city in the USA. Hmmm, I wonder why. Teachers get a free walk on this subject and they shouldn't! Everyone has bad teacher stories.
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No. I am fluent in Japanese though.
Funya chin baka ka! Kutabare kusateru oyaji.
If the US wants to be serious as a technological leader into the future, they need to follow India's example. About 60 years ago the Indian parliament created an extremely compe ive system of engineering schools called IIT (Indian Ins ute of Technology) with the hopes that it would drag their nation out of poverty. It hasn't worked exactly as intended, since the greatest minds from IIT usually come to the US and therefore contribute to our economy instead (for example, the person who founded Sun Microsystems). Still, India creates some of the greatest engineers in the world thanks to this system.
In 60 short years the IIT system has gone from nothing to being a system of schools better than MIT, Caltech, Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. Anyone who doubts how good these schools are needs only to check the IIT youtube channel (where they broadcast a lot of their courses) to understand how amazing the education the IITs offer is. The schools cost next to nothing to attend for the few smart enough to ever get in.
These schools have created a culture where a lot of kids bust their asses like crazy in the hopes they can pass the entrance exam. You should see these peoples' work ethics. Even though almost none of these top students will qualify, they put themselves in an incredible position to succeed at other engineering schools in the nation. I could only imagine if America had this kind of dedication to math, physics, computer science, electrical engineering, and so on. It's too bad we could never have IIT equivalents in America; people would scream bloody- in the streets about socialism. In America everything has to be about direct profit right now. The country doesn't give a about its future.
The legislature keeps passing these crazy laws that makes teaching tougher to get into, so the people who are qualified must be paid accordingly...simple supply and demand....
...would not be any different if we blew up the school system and went to private schools....not that this would ever happen because no private school is gonna take the kids of most of the wing-nuts who post on this board...
The majority of Americans still believe the earth is only 4,000 years old and evolution isn't real. If we are going to change our education system, it has to start with a philosophy shift away from religious zealotry and towards science and technology.
This is where I had hoped Obama would really make a dent.
Are you calling Obama the anti-christ DrHouse?
And nobody says the Earth is only 4000 years old. They say it is 5769 years old, give or take a few months...
Great stuff.
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