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    It's In The Numbers 1369's Avatar
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    From the Atlantic

    Little Green Footballs

    To paraphrase Reagan, I didn't leave the conservative movement. It left me.

    And increasingly, I'm not alone.

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    The Atlantic article pretty much sums it up for me, paraphrased Reagan and all.

    Contrary to what some would like to believe, I have always considered myself center-right on most issues.

    Since being labeled a screaming liberal by the truly hysterical right when Bush was elected, I have taken up the mantle and played the part of a "liberal", because it is fun to mess with their heads.

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    1. I don't see, going by his voting record, how Kerry would have changed any of these for the better, more conservative choice. If he was a real Conservative, why would he not choose Perot over Clinton. I have an idea.
    2. Conservatives don't believe harsh interrogations is torture. It is a difference of definition. I don't think we should torture but think making a terrorists stand more than half an hour is not torture.
    3. About the gay thing. The referendums every time says that the American people and not the conservatives believe gays should not be married. Furtermore there are tons of non social conservative conservatives. Guilliani, Paul, Romney, Newt, any Libertarian Conservative.
    4. Having a realistic foreign policy is always been a conservative's core principle.

    WHy go after Beck and Limbaugh? WHy do these "Conservatives" go after other conservatives always? When the liberals are the majority and making policies that go against everything this guy allegedly believes in, why not go against them, instead of writing about how the conservatives left him? Because they aren't conservatives. Sullivan and all the other RINO's care more about being liked by the socialites and elites. He cares more about Atlantic and NYT readers than National Review and Cato readers. Maybe conservatives did leave him behind and I agree that Bush did create too much domestic govt. and spent more money. But what will fix it? Kerry? BHO? Since BHO nd McCain both don't believe in gay marriage, McCain should have been this guys choice. Yet he picked BHO. That should say it all.

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    1. I don't see, going by his voting record, how Kerry would have changed any of these for the better, more conservative choice. If he was a real Conservative, why would he not choose Perot over Clinton. I have an idea.
    2. Conservatives don't believe harsh interrogations is torture. It is a difference of definition. I don't think we should torture but think making a terrorists stand more than half an hour is not torture.
    3. About the gay thing. The referendums every time says that the American people and not the conservatives believe gays should not be married. Furtermore there are tons of non social conservative conservatives. Guilliani, Paul, Romney, Newt, any Libertarian Conservative.
    4. Having a realistic foreign policy is always been a conservative's core principle.

    WHy go after Beck and Limbaugh? WHy do these "Conservatives" go after other conservatives always? When the liberals are the majority and making policies that go against everything this guy allegedly believes in, why not go against them, instead of writing about how the conservatives left him? Because they aren't conservatives. Sullivan and all the other RINO's care more about being liked by the socialites and elites. He cares more about Atlantic and NYT readers than National Review and Cato readers. I agree that Bush did create too much domestic govt. and spent more money. But what will fix it? Kerry? BHO? Since BHO nd McCain both don't believe in gay marriage, McCain should have been this guys choice. Yet he picked BHO. That should say it all.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    i couldn't agree more.

    the core of this base is absolute white trash.

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    A good list to review what's wrong with the GOP...

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    i couldn't agree more.

    the core of this base is absolute white trash.
    They serve their purpose. Just as the ghetto welfare babies do for the left. Ouch. Sorry to go there, just ying-yangin' ya braaaaaah.

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    They serve their purpose. Just as the ghetto welfare babies do for the left. Ouch. Sorry to go there, just ying-yangin' ya braaaaaah.
    Viewed like that... you certainly have a point. I'm certainly glad neither side has enough to win an election...

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    i don't think you guys know anything about the left.

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    i don't think you guys know anything about the left.
    What did we miss?

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    most of us are center right.

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    most of us are center right.
    Then you don't know much about the left either...

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    Then you don't know much about the left either...
    i know what it is.

    you guys don't know who's in it.

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    you guys don't know who's in it.
    Who, for example?

    "Left", like the word *liberal*, mostly gets tossed around as a pejorative. I never quite know what people mean by it, except that they dislike/like the person it describes.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    Who, for example?

    "Left", like the word *liberal*, mostly gets tossed around as a pejorative. I never quite know what people mean by it, except that they dislike/like the person it describes.
    anyone that opposed the last administration is labeled.

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    I meant, what do you mean by it, clambake?

    Who's "really" on the left, in your view?

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    i'm pretty damn sure i'm on the left.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    I meant, what do you mean by it, clambake?

    Who's "really" on the left, in your view?
    pelosi scares the outta me.

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    pelosi scares the outta me.
    this is what makes me certain that i am on the left. i do not consider pelosi to be on the left.

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    this is what makes me certain that i am on the left. i do not consider pelosi to be on the left.
    i don't think any of her positions are based on her own analysis.

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    I like to think I'm in the center, mostly...

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    i do not consider pelosi to be on the left.
    Nor Harry Reid, nor Obama for that matter, IMO.

    We have one fake right wing party and one fake left wing party. Both are statist and corporatist, and both occupy the political center. Whether GOP and Dems are both center right or both center left can be reasonably disputed, but "far right" and "far left" barely exist in American politics, except as partisan hyperbole.

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    Nor Harry Reid, nor Obama for that matter, IMO.

    We have one fake right wing party and one fake left wing party. Both are statist and corporatist, and both occupy the political center. Whether GOP and Dems are both center right or both center left can be reasonably disputed, but "far right" and "far left" barely exist in American politics, except as partisan hyperbole.
    i completely agree. i often wonder why people really even "cheer" for politicians (or, conversely, villify) when in essence the line between most politicos is a blurred one.

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    i completely agree. i often wonder why people really even "cheer" for politicians (or, conversely, villify) when in essence the line between most politicos is a blurred one.
    The narcissism of small differences.

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    just one less blogger for yoni to plagarize

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