and it has been over 20 years since edgewood v kirby and we have still made no progress regarding funding based on property taxes
Starting teacher salaries are very compe ive with private business, trouble is that you can be teaching for 10+ years and still be in the 40's, compared to a similar private industry job where you could be in the mid $50s, $60 or $70s...that's why there are so many very good certified teachers in TX not teaching...
There is a lack of fundamentals in society that goes much deeper than just schools...schools are just the easy scapegoat....old folks complain that kids can't do math, science or even read very well, but at the same time these kids are cyber-communicating, blogging, researching, flying planes....doing information circles around these old coots...
Parents are a VERY important key, but they aren't just THE key, it really does take a village to raise a child...
Apples and Oranges...ALL college professors teach one way...lecturing...
...you wouldn't last very long as a teacher that way..
Seriously, getting paid to research and write about stuff you love all day....where's my $100+K?
Education in this country went way downhill when adults decided that they had to act like everything that every kid does is wonderful. Oh, no- teachers can't put kids into reading groups and every kid has to get a trophy!! The parents are the worse. I have watched them demand that a school quit recognizing the honor roll because it hurts the self-esteem of the kids who don't make it. People have watered down what achievement actually is so that accomplishing something means very little.
On another note, I am not an advocate of single-gender classrooms. I have a son whom I would never want in an all-boys' school or classroom.
You need to turn off the talk radio dude.
As I've stated before, attracting starting teachers isn't the problem, its keeping experienced teachers that's the problem...I'm not sure what the solution is there...maybe offering teachers a nice guaranteed retirement with Congressional type medical benefits after 20+ years of service..
He has a point. By creating a false sense of accomplishment it, iMO, has created a fake confidence. It is not the biggest problem, but it is a cultural problem that should at the least be discussed.
How is changing the way we pay for schools gonna make schools better? You'll still have the same teachers, same administrators, and the same curriculum...
There is no false sense of accomplishments..some kids work very hard...
Giving every kid a sense of accomplishment, regardless of their action or final product, will take away from the worth of accomplishment. Soon kids are more interested in getting a 'that a boy' than creating a goal and accomplishing it.
...goal setting should be thought at home and reinforced at school...you can't easily teach kids who have never been taught to goal-set to all of the sudden be goal-setters....
So our school system should lower their standards because some kids aren't taught it? I feel that schools are the perfect place to teach kids this, if not schools, then what will these kids do with college in mind.
It'd empower the consumer instead of the bureoucrat. Given the chance, parents tend to pick the best school for their kids. Bad teaches, bad administrators, bad curricula would be run out of the market by better compe ors.
Who said anything about lowering standards? ....quit setting up straw men..
....goal-setting is a problem for alot of kids, even in college...
you would also further segregate schools and good experienced teachers...there would be a few good schools, because of market forces and the concentration of good teachers, and a lot of very very, bad schools...
So because some parents are too ty to actually get involved in their kids education, all the kids have to suffer?
No...you can send your kids to private schools...in TX you can move your kids from low performing schools...but this policy and suburban population creep have diluged good districts with record numbers of new students forcing these districts to hire less experienced, and thus less effecient teachers...
I think you are confused, you just described the current situation.
How would bad schools survive? It'd be a great opportunity for those currently out of the education business. In a compe ive market, suppliers that don't satisfy the consumer don't last long.
Your not gonna pay for that type of system and keep the costs/student where it is sustainable by just property taxes....especially in poorer areas..
..and the rich will supplement any amount they get in vouchers with their own money and attract all the good teachers...everyone else would be SOL..
Are you sure? Do you know exactly which % of the entire government spending in education is financed with property taxes?
Once again, that's what happens now, so I can't really figure out what's your reasoning to say the situation would change for worse. You could always subsidize the riches less, but it wouldn't be needed. Your argument suffers from a common fallacy, the idea that everything under the sun is a zero sum game. Good education providers aren't a finite resource.
Experts in their fields: Sometimes, perhaps.
But I think the free market has a lot to do with their pay.
You can choose which colleges get your funding, and certain 'brand' colleges are better than others (even if in reality they teach the same things).
There are lecture classes in college, but there are just as many classes in the same vein as high school. Depends on the college, the course etc.
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