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Well, I agree that 8 years ago, Sheed was a better fit for a team trying to win a le. But at their peak, Dirk easily.
Spot on. Who would have locked down Slava Medvedenko if Sheed wasn't there?
Well, I agree that 8 years ago, Sheed was a better fit for a team trying to win a le. But at their peak, Dirk easily.
Not at all. This is a Kidd vs. Nash argument. The fact one was a leader on defense and one is out in his own world is relevant.
I'd take Dirk in his prime over Rasheed in his prime, and I'm a Rasheed fan. But, I do agree that no version of Dirk Nowitzki would have allowed the 2004 Pistons win a le the way Rasheed did. Rasheed was just the right fit on the right team. But, in the majority of situations and on the majority of teams, I'd take Dirk over Rasheed.
I agree mostly with what you say. But as for the 2004 Pistons, if you put prime Dirk on that team, they still win a le. Not the same way they did with Sheed, but they win a le with a slightly different iden y. Dirk was definitely a liability on D earlier in his career, but now? He's pretty solid. The Pistons wouldn't have missed a beat defensively with him, and on offense he's a ing matchup nightmare. You'd have Billups, Hamilton, Dirk, Prince all able to score. And Wallace to clean up around the rim with putbacks and tip-ins.
I think the Pistons would've been a different team, and I doubt they would've contended in 2003-04, if it were a mid-season trade. The Pistons had offense from that position. They had Mehmet Okur. They had Corliss Williamson.
The Pistons were looking for a great on-ball defender in the post to take care of Jermaine O'Neal. The Pacers man-handled the Pistons before Rasheed got there. Elden Campbell was the starter the first 1/4 of the season. He couldn't defend without fouling. Okur wasn't a great defender and he was playing out of position because Ben Wallace, up to the time Rasheed got here, was the starting power forward, not center.
So it's about their style of play--what they bring to the team--not who was the better or more consistent player. Dirk has always been more consistent at dominating offensively.
The people who hate on Nash don't know what hurdles he had to jump over to make the NBA. He grew up in my hometown of Victoria, Canada where there is no elite basketball talent. Even after dominating in the Provincial Championships, Nash got no scholarship offers from American universities. He actually had to send out a tape to Santa Clara for them to even consider offering a scholarship. When he got to Santa Clara, there weren't a whole lot of expectations. But he led that team to two NCAA appearances and two first round upsets over Maryland and Arizona. When he got drafted into the NBA, even his own father figured he would be a scrub his whole career. Fourteen years later and Nash has surpassed what anyone thought was possible for his career.
Jason Kidd.
The fact he's a better story than Kidd has nothing to do with who's had the better career.
I agree with this
Dirk being adequate on defense would not be sufficient. Rasheed came in and immediately stepped in as the main low post defender to allow Ben Wallace to play help side defender almost exclusively. That is something even a better defending Dirk could not take on. The Pistons were already good defensively, but Rasheed took them to a different level precisely because of that. Suggesting that Pistons team wouldn't miss a beat with Dirk defensively is greatly underrating what Rasheed was able to bring to that team at the defensive end. The Pistons don't beat the Indiana Pacers in the ECF with any version of Dirk replacing Rasheed.
Any version of Rasheed doesn't even come close to taking a team with JET and Josh Howard as his backup to the Finals either. They probably struggle to get past Memphis, if they even do.
I think Jamstone already implied that.
I stand by what I said in the previous post. You put 2009 Dirk on that team and they cruise to the le. The obviously have a different kind of team than the one they won a le with, but Dirk is a transcendent talent, and they were coached by Larry Brown. He could adapt to a different roster with different strengths and weaknesses. It's like the Spurs fans who argue that trading Dirk for Manu straight up in their primes wouldn't make San Antonio better, because Manu is a better complement to Duncan.
Unlike Steve Nash, Jason Kidd is still oblivious to the term "consistent jumpshot". There's plenty of good point guards who have trouble defensively, but there's not many who shoot 40 percent for their career.
Actually, many expected Kidd to have an even better career than he has had. No doubt Kidd's a hall of famer, but he has disappointed some with his poor shooting and scoring numbers.
sons LMAO is this a joke? .... Nash HANDS DOWN.
Steve Nash had a better career, if you ignore all the controversy about the MVPs he won.
It makes me wonder if this guy is a troll after all. His takes are Palinesque.
Offensive side of the ball: About even in their prime. Defensive side of the ball: Kidd wins easily.
More playoff wins: Kidd
More playoff rebounds, blocks, three pointers, assists: Kidd
13 consecutive seasons leading his team (three different franchises) to the playoffs: Kidd
More All-NBA First Team selections: Kidd
More all-NBA Defensive selections: Kidd
Nash is a great distributor but he will never catch Kidd in assists (and about 6 other categories).
Nash better shooter. Thats it.
More playoff wins? That's easy to do when you play a big chunk of a career in the Eastern Conference. Nash never had the luxury of playing some pathetic teams in the playoffs.
I'd also like to add some categories
Nash is a better three point shooter
Nash is a better free throw shooter
Nash is a better jump shooter
Nash is a better scorer
Nash has a higher efficiency rating
Game's played on both ends of the court. Also, Nash played on 8 straight 52+ win teams. His teams went fishing in large part because he couldn't guard Mike Bibby or Tony Parker.
son wake up and stop being such a homer
Homer? I like both. They have both been beloved boys in blue at one point or another. Kidd had a better career.
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