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That's my feelings as well, but contracts are legally binding. Feelings and law don't mix well.
the HOA! This guy has earned this!!! God bless him.
That's my feelings as well, but contracts are legally binding. Feelings and law don't mix well.
Back then I was killing Germans with a tommy gun. A TOMMY GUN! Now here I can't even fly a flag on my flag pole!?!?!? A FLAG POLE!? AHHHHHHHHH
You're such a . It says that the HOA contract didn't explicitly forbid flag poles.
Go suck on a tailpipe, you .
There's a real easy way to avoid HOA rules: don't buy there. HOAs exist to have nice subdivisions where your next door neighbor doesn't have a ing broken down school bus parked in his back yard, or your down the street idiot doesn't paint his house fuchsia. Everyone bumps into something eventually with their HOA. It's part of not living in a hole Okie-style neighborhood.
It's funny that most of the people crying over this are the board Republicans. Hey guys, HOAs are just the Republican party in miniature, all in everybody's bedroom and womb.
Yeah, that's the Republicans all right. Next thing you know they'll be trying to legislate control of our personal health! Oh wait... Give it a rest, ex.
"HOA can't suddenly decide willy-nilly"
An HOA is obviously intended to keep ignorant Aggies and other rural bubbas from defacing the neighborhood and reducing property values, so if the Hero didn't buy into the HOA as being the ultimate arbiter of neighborhood appearances, he shouldn't have moved into their "private club" and given up the rights to violate the HOA bylaws.
Maybe when you move out of your mom's basement and into a house of your own, you'll get some exposure to HOAs. What you are describing isn't how good HOAs work.
Cute insult though, bet you've been working on that one all day.
Or the other rightie defense of predatory lenders vs foreclosed borrowers:
"nobody forced the Hero to move into that HOA neighborhood"
That's screwed up to do that to that old vet, especially after all hes been through. The harm does a flagpole do.
Nazis.
A flagpole flying the flag is equivalent to a broken down bus? If anything it cons utes an improvement to the property and likely did not impact the property value one way or the other, especially since it's probably removable and therefore not a permanent addition.
HOA are formed with good intentions but they can become tyrannical and unjust like every other type of organization there is. It sounds to me like they are overstepping their intended purpose in this case.
Check out this mother er Sabar, he's my favorite(mainly because I met him as I am sure many school kids in Texas did):
Master Sergeant (then Staff Sergeant) Roy P. Benavidez United States Army, who distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions on 2 May 1968 while assigned to Detachment B56, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Republic of Vietnam. On the morning of 2 May 1968, a 12-man Special Forces Reconnaissance Team was inserted by helicopters in a dense jungle area west of Loc Ninh, Vietnam to gather intelligence information about confirmed large-scale enemy activity. This area was controlled and routinely patrolled by the North Vietnamese Army. After a short period of time on the ground, the team met heavy enemy resistance, and requested emergency extraction. Three helicopters attempted extraction, but were unable to land due to intense enemy small arms and anti-aircraft fire. [b]Sergeant Benavidez was at the Forward Operating Base in Loc Ninh monitoring the operation by radio when these helicopters returned to off-load wounded crewmembers and to assess aircraft damage. Sergeant Benavidez voluntarily boarded a returning aircraft to assist in another extraction attempt.[/qb]
Realizing that all the team members were either dead or wounded and unable to move to the pickup zone, he directed the aircraft to a nearby clearing where he jumped from the hovering helicopter, and ran approximately 75 meters under withering small arms fire to the crippled team. Prior to reaching the team's position he was wounded in his right leg, face, and head. Despite these painful injuries, he took charge, repositioning the team members and directing their fire to facilitate the landing of an extraction aircraft, and the loading of wounded and dead team members. He then threw smoke canisters to direct the aircraft to the team's position. Despite his severe wounds and under intense enemy fire, he carried and dragged half of the wounded team members to the awaiting aircraft. He then provided protective fire by running alongside the aircraft as it moved to pick up the remaining team members. As the enemy's fire intensified, he hurried to recover the body and classified do ents on the dead team leader. When he reached the leader's body, Sergeant Benavidez was severely wounded by small arms fire in the abdomen and grenade fragments in his back. At nearly the same moment, the aircraft pilot was mortally wounded, and his helicopter crashed. Although in extremely critical condition due to his multiple wounds, Sergeant Benavidez secured the classified do ents and made his way back to the wreckage, where he aided the wounded out of the overturned aircraft, and gathered the stunned survivors into a defensive perimeter.
Under increasing enemy automatic weapons and grenade fire, he moved around the perimeter distributing water and ammunition to his weary men, reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. Facing a buildup of enemy opposition with a beleaguered team, Sergeant Benavidez mustered his strength, began calling in tactical air strikes and directed the fire from supporting gunships to suppress the enemy's fire and so permit another extraction attempt. He was wounded again in his thigh by small arms fire while administering first aid to a wounded team member just before another extraction helicopter was able to land. His indomitable spirit kept him going as he began to ferry his comrades to the craft. On his second trip with the wounded, he was clubbed from additional wounds to his head and arms before killing his adversary.
He then continued under devastating fire to carry the wounded to the helicopter. Upon reaching the aircraft, he spotted and killed two enemy soldiers who were rushing the craft from an angle that prevented the aircraft door gunner from firing upon them. With little strength remaining, he made one last trip to the perimeter to ensure that all classified material had been collected or destroyed, and to bring in the remaining wounded. Only then, in extremely serious condition from numerous wounds and loss of blood, did he allow himself to be pulled into the extraction aircraft. Sergeant Benavidez' gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men. His fearless personal leadership, tenacious devotion to duty, and extremely valorous actions in the face of overwhelming odds were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflect the utmost credit on him and the United States Army.[1]
I mean that is just ing unreal...
BTW Sabar, if there is ever civil war or some kind of hitting the fan, the first thing I am going to do is go round up every ing son of a sharecropper I can find..
Roy Benavides:
Sgt Alvin York(the most decorated soldier of WWI):son of a sharecropper
Audie Murphy(the most decorated soldier of WWII):son of a sharecropper
sharecropper's son
My advice, if you are ever about to find yourself in a fight with a sharecropper's son...I suggest you reconsider as you are not dealing with someone remotely close to being a normal human being. Either that, or go get about 200 hundred other people to help you. A hundred won't be enough...Alvin York captured 132 German soldiers at once(and killed 28 others), all by himself in the same incident.
And he was a conscientious objector to the war.
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Ah, I see. So if they voted to order him to build a massive Nazi symbol in his yard, he would have to comply? What if they voted to order him to erect gallows in his basement?Way to not research your position.
Get the out, asshat. Just because HOAs vote on an issue does not give them complete power over your life.
And for the record, the flagpole was already up. He's been raising the flag in the morning and taking it down in the evening for years/decades.
Again, reading the ing article before giving your opinion would help you a lot.
It's hard for me to believe this is just about a flagpole considering he resume in the military and his age.
Of course it isn't. It's about a HOA going on a power trip and grasping for every little bit of control they can have in their tiny little sheltered perfect world.
The day an American flag flying on a pole is an affront to an American citizen to the point that they will actively pursue the denial of another American do fly said flag is the day they need to be forcibly removed from this country.
Calm down, lobster. I've already said I thought the HOA were acting like s, much like yourself. They could've just as easily waved the ruling for a freaking 90 year old medal of honor recipient....just as easily as the 90 year old medal of honor recipient could've flown the flag from a pole attached to his house.Ah, I see. So if they voted to order him to build a massive Nazi symbol in his yard, he would have to comply? What if they voted to order him to erect gallows in his basement?
Get the out, asshat. Just because HOAs vote on an issue does not give them complete power over your life.
And for the record, the flagpole was already up. He's been raising the flag in the morning and taking it down in the evening for years/decades.
Again, reading the ing article before giving your opinion would help you a lot.
Both sides are in the wrong here, but the HOA should've cowboyed up and let him do his thing. Switch to ing decaff, dude.
go to a board meeting and you'll see all the answers youre looking for.
Bumping this thread.
The Homeowner's Association dropped the case. Colonel Barfoot will be allowed to raise his flag every morning and lower it every night in accordance with his wishes.
wow, a HOA deciding to do the right thing for once.
How can we spam this HOA with threatening phone calls?
Have we located contact information yet?
I would say yes to this except that although the article mentions an outpouring of support, it doesn't specifically mention his neighborhood. If the support were from his own neighborhood, he wouldn't have a problem. The "enemies" in this case are being presented as the board. However, this is the HOMEOWNERS association. The board only represents the HOMEOWNERS. So if he had a lot of support from the HOMEOWNERS then this could be easily overturned, or they could fire the board, then overturn. So it is obvious to me in this case that its his neighborhood in general who believe this flagpole to be a problem. I don't like the idea of him not being able to have a verticle flagpole in his yard, but he should have known this when they denied his request to erect it in the first place. He could have lobbied his fellow neighbors to pressure the board to allow him to erect it. I don't like his actions that equate to "I don't like the law, so I am going to break it."
Its not the law and he's not breaking any laws by erecting it. There was never any specific ordinance against his flagpole in the first place. They pulled one out of their ass just because they can.
I'd go to court over this no doubt. Its not obstructive and doesn't depreciate the value of the property. They're denying him based on "opinion" of aesthetics and nothing more. With no legitimate reason for denial other than an unfounded "opinion" I don't see the HOA winning this battle.
Not to mention the bad press and attention will likely push people off from moving in. That alone would negate any so called aesthetic benefits.
There is little to be gained by waging a war against a national hero because you think the American flag is tacky.
You are right, he was not breaking any law (I said it was like a person who doesn't like a law so breaks it, I guess you missed the word "like" as in this is a metaphor), but he erected it AFTER he was told that he was not allowed to. The opinion of "asthetics" expressed by the board must = the opinion of "asthetics" held by the Homeowners at large, since this is still an issue. If he didn't like the ruling of the board, instead of breaking that ruling like a brat, he could have done the responsible thing and drummed up support in his neighborhood of HOMEOWNERS who the board represents. If the HOMEOWNERS expressed that they would like to allow him to do this, then that means that an ASSOCIATION of these HOMEOWNERS would comply, you know, since the HOMEOWNERS are the association. Look, I appreciate his heroics, I agree that it is like some action movie, or video game. I also think that he should be allowed to have the flag pole in his yard, and if I were a homeowner in his neighborhood, I would support him. Unfortunately, I don't live there, and he doesn't seem to have any neighborhood support for his cause, because otherwise this wouldn't be an issue. I also think he acted like a 5 year old brat instead of going about doing things the right way. Lastly, if he just can't get support for this by his fellow neighbors, then that sucks, but he has to take it down anyway, since he ceded that decision making power to the HOA when he bought the house.
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