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    Jefferson played better than Ginobili....

    That's not the point, we all know what manu can bring once he is in shape...
    We don't know what to do with RJ...

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    What's alarming is that Ginobili probably will never be the Ginobili of old times. Rather just and old Ginobili.

    Yes Jefferson hasn't been playing terrific, but he is not the only reason why the Spurs are losing.
    I thought RJ was insurance in case Manu got injured again...

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    Tony and Timmy has same assists, this is bad, that meens tony shooting way more, he needs to set plays get others involes.

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    first I want to know what are jefferson major qualities .

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    He's good, just needs to find his niche.

    Why hasn't he been able to already?

    Because we've been missing members of the Big 3 night in and night. Only recently have we finally got everyone back healthy. Keep in mind he will have off nights like any other human being.

    I'm hoping we're at the beginning of a long stretch of health team-wide(besides Finley...WGAF about Finley?) now.

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    I agree. You can't blame RJ if he's getting no touches. You can only ask him to play good D and he did that.
    Make yourself AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!



    + When he had the ball, he just passed it or did nothing constructive most of the time!
    At leat his D was ok...

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    If Tony could pass it to people when they cut Jefferson would be averaging 17+ If you have leauge pass I want you to take the time to just watch the cuts Jefferson made tonight

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    That's not the point, we all know what manu can bring once he is in shape...
    We don't know what to do with RJ...

    Do we really know what Manu can bring? Seriously, I'm a fan of Manu but I highly doubt we are going to get 2007 pre injury Manu again.

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    + When he had the ball, he just passed it or did nothing constructive most of the time!
    At leat his D was ok...

    How about instead of just giving him the ball on the perimeter you pass it to him whiles he's cutting 85% of the time. If opposing players have to play his cuts tightly because His teamates can pass it opens up his scoring game so much. Just look at the Mavs games when Manu passed it to Jefferson when he was cutting it made it so much easier

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    + When he had the ball, he just passed it or did nothing constructive most of the time!
    At leat his D was ok...
    Go watch the game again. He did cut under the basket all game. Manu found him once. The thing is, if we're running TD/TP pick n roll then you HAVE TO camp on the three point line. That's outlr system. If you don't like it, then we need to change it, but don't blame RJ for doing what the coach is asking him to do...

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    His usage rate with Parker and Duncan on the floor is lower than Roger Mason's and similar to Matt Bonner's..

    Again, what the do you want him to do?..

    He can't play with Duncan without playcalling in his favor, because Timmy is obviously a post player..

    He can't play effectively with Parker because Tony just dribbles the clock out until he either finds his own shot or gets it to Duncan..

    It makes no sense to me how the FO can go out and acquire him without knowing how they're going to use him..
    That's I'm saying in another thread!!
    I don't want to bash him completely and I'm not a hater.
    But it's desperating for me after we all were in ecxitement mode after the trade.
    Then change the game or trade jefferson.
    Because in any of these two cases it's completely nonsese. Really.

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    I thought RJ was insurance in case Manu got injured again...

    He is, but who knew that Rj wouldn't fit in with TP and TD.

    Like someone else said TP is so used to dribbling out the shot clock until there is only 4-5 seconds left until he shoots or kicks it out to a SPOT UP Shooter. Jefferson is not a spot up shooter.

    Seriously stop defending your favorite ing player and try to understand... (This isn't directed towards you Elnono)

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    Jefferson is overrated. He is just an average player in this league. He is no where near a star, nor will he ever. ppl's are just going to have to come to grips with that.

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    Jefferson is overrated. He is just an average player in this league. He is no where near a star, nor will he ever. ppl's arejust going to have to come to grips with that.



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    I thought RJ was insurance in case Manu got injured again...
    If that's what they wanted, they went after the wrong player. Carter/SJax fits that role better than Jefferson does, especially because they can shoot the three-ball and create for their team mates.

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    Fake. And Parker's got two straight games on his conscience now where we had a chance but he turned the ball over.

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    If that's what they wanted, they went after the wrong player. Carter/SJax fits that role better than Jefferson does, especially because they can shoot the three-ball.

    We couldn't get Carter without giving up more than they wanted to at the time.

    As for S-Jax, I was for that idea the whole time.... and I wish they would have.

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    This is funny you guys want TP or TD to pass the ball to jefferson when he cuts but the problem is POP doesn't want to.
    Because POP wants Tony to dribble the ball during 10 seconds and then to pass the ball to Timmy who wants to post and finish his job.
    While the others are waiting and looking.
    This is SPURS BASKETBALL.

    But the other thing is that Jefferson is a terrible dribbler , he can't create a shot himself then maybe he is forced naturally to do a Finleyesque job.

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    Jefferson is overrated. He is just an average player in this league. He is no where near a star, nor will he ever. ppl's are just going to have to come to grips with that.
    I'm not sure anyone expects him to be a star. They just expect him to be a little more consistent and aggressive.

    I know it's the "in" thing to say RJ's struggles are because of TP... but most of the time, RJ plays better with Tim off the floor, whether Tony is in or not. I think eventually they'll all mesh, but Spurs fans don't have much patience.

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    The formula really is basic the better passer Tony becomes = The more productive Rj Will be

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    He is, but who knew that Rj wouldn't fit in with TP and TD.

    Like someone else said TP is so used to dribbling out the shot clock until there is only 4-5 seconds left until he shoots or kicks it out to a SPOT UP Shooter. Jefferson is not a spot up shooter.

    Seriously stop defending your favorite ing player and try to understand... (This isn't directed towards you Elnono)
    I understand what you mean completely. But I thought it was pretty obvious that unless we made some changes in our offense, he wouldn't fit in. I mean, I fully expected plays to be run for an atheltic ~20 PPG scorer that averages almost 50% FG career wise. I was actually expecting some of the plays we used to run for Manu would be run for RJ. But there has been none of that. It's actually been terrible to watch. I think it's pretty much the same thing with Dice.

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    This is funny you guys want TP or TD to pass the ball to jefferson when he cuts but the problem is POP doesn't want to.
    Because POP wants Tony to dribble the ball during 10 seconds and then to pass the ball to Timmy who wants to post and finish his job.
    While the others are waiting and looking.
    This is SPURS BASKETBALL.

    But the other thing is that Jefferson is a terrible dribbler , he can't create a shot himself then maybe he is forced naturally to do a Finleyesque job.

    He wasn't brought in to be a creator. He is a SLASHER from the wing and that is what the Spurs wanted, so if they are going to stick to "Spurs basketball" then why the did they go after RJ?

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    I understand what you mean completely. But I thought it was pretty obvious that unless we made some changes in our offense, he wouldn't fit in. I mean, I fully expected plays to be run for an atheltic ~20 PPG scorer that averages almost 50% FG career wise. I was actually expecting some of the plays we used to run for Manu would be run for RJ. But there has been none of that. It's actually been terrible to watch. I think it's pretty much the same thing with Dice.
    See thats the problem maybe we expect to much plays from a HOF coach

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    I understand what you mean completely. But I thought it was pretty obvious that unless we made some changes in our offense, he wouldn't fit in. I mean, I fully expected plays to be run for an atheltic ~20 PPG scorer that averages almost 50% FG career wise. I was actually expecting some of the plays we used to run for Manu would be run for RJ. But there has been none of that. It's actually been terrible to watch. I think it's pretty much the same thing with Dice.
    I agree 200 %

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    If they wanted a spot up shooter why didn;t they go after Kapono?

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