This is the best speech on gay marriage

[spursncowboys]

I wonder how many sick would have died over the years if not for the religious.

[MiamiHeat]

In short, your political extremists could probably give you a reasonable answer for what motivates them, whereas gay people and pedophiles -- for different reasons -- could not.

Nevertheless, your post was deflated. You tried to argue that sexuality is not a choice because "who would choose to do such things??!"

People choose to do things, as we have now shown, for MANY REASONS.

That is NO ARGUMENT for trying to prove that sexuality is not a choice.

Try again, snacky.

[admiralsnackbar]

You are not understanding the issues at hand.

This isn't about 'gay marriage'

This is about gays trying to CHANGE, REDEFINE marriage.


Believe it or not, MAJORITY of USA WOULD SUPPORT a gay union of their own. A new ins ution, with ALL OF THE SAME RIGHTS as marriage, but with a different name.


Majority would accept that.

Just don't try and redefine marriage.

Awesome. "Seperate but equal." Do you have reasons for being a bigot, or is it some uncontrollable urge on your part?

Also, are you confusing the ins ution of marriage as a governmentally administrated union which only amounts to legal protections for taxpayers regardless of race, color or creed with the religious ins ution of marriage, which has other preconditions? While you may not, I think the "majority" you speak of has been led to do just that.

[MiamiHeat]

Same-gender marriage doesn't redefine marriage at all, really. It simply grants rights to people who are being denied them.

Gays have the exact same rights I do. Go marry the opposite gender. Nobody is stopping them. So your logic is flawed


You will then say, "but gays want to marry same sex genders!"

so then that IS a redefinition of MARRIAGE.

Marriage = man and woman

[spursncowboys]

Nevertheless, your post was deflated. You tried to argue that sexuality is not a choice because "who would choose to do such things??!"

People choose to do things, as we have now shown, for MANY REASONS.

That is NO ARGUMENT for trying to prove that sexuality is not a choice.

Try again, snacky.

Right, the default view should not be that you are a victim of a godless, nature world while you go against natural law.

[rjv]

Nevertheless, your post was deflated. You tried to argue that sexuality is not a choice because "who would choose to do such things??!"

People choose to do things, as we have now shown, for MANY REASONS.

That is NO ARGUMENT for trying to prove that sexuality is not a choice.

Try again, snacky.

is there an argument to demonstrate that sexuality is a choice? in all cases? indubitably so?

[MiamiHeat]

Awesome. "Seperate but equal." Do you have reasons for being a bigot, or is it some uncontrollable urge on your part?

and what is wrong with that? I don't see a single problem with it.

[admiralsnackbar]

Nevertheless, your post was deflated. You tried to argue that sexuality is not a choice because "who would choose to do such things??!"

People choose to do things, as we have now shown, for MANY REASONS.

That is NO ARGUMENT for trying to prove that sexuality is not a choice.

Try again, snacky.

Why do you suppose I need to try again when you confuse skirting my points with rebutting them?

[ElNono]

Marriage = man and woman

According to who? you?

[MiamiHeat]

is there an argument to demonstrate that sexuality is a choice? in all cases? indubitably so?

There is no legitimate argument to demonstrate that sexuality is not a choice.


You see, we choose our sexual partners.

Sexual preference.

[MiamiHeat]

Why do you suppose I need to try again when you confuse skirting my points with rebutting them?

Poor sport, snacky.

You obviously know what you did wrong and where you failed, because I pointed it out to you.

yet you ignored it and just wrote a pointless sentence trying to deny responsibility.

poor showing.

[admiralsnackbar]

and what is wrong with that? I don't see a single problem with it.

Yep, and some Miami Heat in the 50's didn't see a problem with keeping "the culluhds" in their own legally identical -- but actually disparate -- school systems, bus seats, bathrooms, etc.

[MiamiHeat]

According to who? you?

Yeah, according to me. I invented marriage, you see. I invented it while sitting on the ter and watching a Spurs-Heat game.

[admiralsnackbar]

Poor sport, snacky.

You obviously know what you did wrong and where you failed, because I pointed it out to you.

yet you ignored it and just wrote a pointless sentence trying to deny responsibility.

poor showing.

I'm dissapointed. Here I was thinking you were a logician, and it turns out you're just a projectionist.

[ElNono]

Yeah, according to me. I invented marriage, you see. I invented it while sitting on the ter and watching a Spurs-Heat game.

Who invented marriage? And did it include sexual, polygamous and incest relationships back then?

[BacktoBasics]

According to who? you?

Exactly. I said basically the same thing earlier. These people seem to think that marriage is somehow theirs to define.

[MiamiHeat]

Yep, and some Miami Heat in the 50's didn't see a problem with keeping "the culluhds" in their own legally identical -- but actually disparate -- school systems, bus seats, bathrooms, etc.

Are you suggesting that gay unions would not be allowed to ride the same buses and go to the same school system?

I really don't see how the two have anything to do with each other. You fail at trying to tie the two.

Nobody is discriminating against gays. They can do whatever they want with their gay union, the only difference is the name.

[MiamiHeat]

Exactly. I said basically the same thing earlier. These people seem to think that marriage is somehow theirs to define.

I agree. Who are we to define anything.

In my opinion, freedom means being ruled by a communist dictator. I say we dissolve the Bill of Rights, heck, the whole Cons ution.

When you are told what to do and how to live, it's easy and you have the freedom to not worry about those things.

I agree. It's not ours to define. Freedom can mean anything.

[rjv]

There is no legitimate argument to demonstrate that sexuality is not a choice.


You see, we choose our sexual partners.

Sexual preference.

just to make sure. you are saying that there is no way to demonstrate that sexuality is not a choice?

if that is the case, is there one to show that it is a choice?

[admiralsnackbar]

Right, the default view should not be that you are a victim of a godless, nature world while you go against natural law.

Animals go against "natural law" all the time. It's scandalous.

[MiamiHeat]

Who invented marriage? And did it include sexual, polygamous and incest relationships back then?

Do I look like google to you?

[ElNono]

I agree. Who are we to define anything.



I agree. It's not ours to define. Freedom can mean anything.

Who invented marriage? And did it include sexual, polygamous and incest relationships back then?

[BacktoBasics]

I agree. Who are we to define anything.

In my opinion, freedom means being ruled by a communist dictator. I say we dissolve the Bill of Rights, heck, the whole Cons ution.

When you are told what to do and how to live, it's easy and you have the freedom to not worry about those things.

I agree. It's not ours to define. Freedom can mean anything.

I've seen you argue much stronger than this. For someone who typically argues against modern day religion I'm surprised to see you argue on behalf of what marriage is and should be. Considering that the very ins utions you love to blast are the same ones who have taken marriage and redefined what they think it should be.

[ElNono]

Do I look like google to you?

You sure defend 'marriage' for whatever the definition means to you like you know what you're talking about. How is this about changing marriage if you don't even know what it is or wether you usurped the definition in the first place?

[MiamiHeat]

Animals go against "natural law" all the time. It's scandalous.

Since when do animals dictate what 'nature' is?